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Good luck with that crew Dugg
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In your world hate is peace and patriots are freaks - I'll wave my freak flag high.
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/08 @ 07:16 AM — (Reply)
make sure you shave your armpits next time
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/08 @ 02:30 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/08 @ 04:23 PM — (Reply)
that you keep stepping in it
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/08 @ 05:46 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 05:12 AM — (Reply)
you did see that youtube video that said you were gay right?
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 05:46 AM — (Reply)
BG
Comment by Barry G.— 2008/03/09 @ 04:12 PM — (Reply)
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Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/08 @ 02:24 PM — (Reply)
The Supposed Betrayal of the TRUTH movement by Ron Paul?
By fitzgerald11 | January 15, 2008
The TRUTH movement’s activism started when 911 occured. Ron Paul’s activism for liberty started decades before the birth of 911 activism.
The TRUTH movement is focussing on one of the symptoms of the NWO: false flag terror. Ron Paul has been focussing on the root causes of these symptoms: the IRS, the Fed, the UN, the NAU, etc.
The TRUTH movement and Ron Paul are one and the same. Ron Paul’s track record of supporting liberty in Congress is proof of who he really is, and on whose side. We have to respect his tactics. Even when he denies that the US is behind 911, he is saying exactly the same thing that 911 truthers like Alex Jones is saying: elements within the US government are behind 911, not the government itself. In fact, Alex used to say: “this is not OUR government!”. Which amounts to exactly what Ron Paul says: “OUR government did not carry out 911.” He is smart enough not to say that “rogue elements within the US government did it”. We, the TRUTHERS, have to be smart enough to understand that, and not be as dumb as to expect Ron Paul to give his adversaries more points to attack him. We win by being smart too. Ron Paul NEVER betrayed the TRUTH movement. He was just being smart. Some TRUTHERS aren’t that smart, it seems.
and I can predict your answer
well Ron Paul has denied it...blah blah blah..well he also said he was done running for president but did you believe him then?
hypocrite
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/08 @ 02:33 PM — (Reply)
it's the story of Peter Pan and the Boys who wouldn't grow up
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/08 @ 02:48 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/08 @ 04:13 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/08 @ 04:26 PM — (Reply)
I just don't get why you'd slander at least 7,000 FBI agents along with a host of other great Americans other than it feeds your ego and your need for attention...
poor Dugg
that's Mr. Jones' motivation...attention and selling books
it's about the almighty dollar
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/08 @ 05:45 PM — (Reply)
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Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 05:15 AM — (Reply)
let's summarize your views for my audience dugg:
9/11 was perpetrated by the government in order for us to fight proxy wars for Israel...
Dugg's overwhelming proof: Alex Jones says so...OOOOOKaaayyy
next
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are true
Dugg's overwhelming evidence: There are Jews who work in the media
9/11 was perpetrated by our government
dugg's proof: the Loose Change video
Here's the truth:
1. Dugg posts anti-Semitic nonsense and uses source material from Nazi propaganda and Jew hating websites as proof that the country is run by Jews
2. Calls on God to strike McCain down
3. Slanders the FBI (unless they do something that demonstrates some wierd connection to your conspiracy theories
4. Slanders the military (supposedly it was the unofficial policy of the military to target civilians)
5. Tries and convicts the Marines in the Haditha case despite the Constitutional right to due process and 'innocent until proven guilty'
6. Believes Mr. Gunderson was credible
7. dugg lacks the courage of his convictions - he still uses a phone and the internet and votes for Ron Paul despite his connection to free masonry
Despite kicking your *ss so many times that at this point it's just piling on...I feel no need to answer the *hit you post
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 06:13 AM — (Reply)
Was that blonde Joan Rivers!? looked just like her.
Ever seen the old film FREAKS? this is "the Return of.."
Comment by Z— 2008/03/08 @ 04:05 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 07:51 AM — (Reply)
Dugg and Troofers everywhere,
Do your self a huge favor, read Pulitzer Prize winner "The Looming Tower" by Lawrence Wright, You're gonna feel like a putz when done, this truther crap is so effing full of sh*t its embarrassing that American's believe it, but Amercia is a free country.........for now. I would love to here your thoughts when done with this book.
BTW, Mr. Wright is a liberal.
Comment by Joe Gringo— 2008/03/08 @ 05:11 PM — (Reply)
There is enough proof that 911 is an inside job that you couldn't read it all in a year straight - I'd love to here your thoughts if you were exposed to all of that.
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 05:09 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 05:17 AM — (Reply)
you make the same claim about thousands of people who were involved in the investigation
perhaps you enjoy slandering thousands of people, I don't really care
as long as youtube strokes your ego and your conspiracy theories I'm sure you'll be happy
good luck with that hubris
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 05:45 AM — (Reply)
There is probably smoke coming off the top of your head. BEWARE Spontaneous combustion is real!
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 06:02 AM — (Reply)
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Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 06:15 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 06:19 AM — (Reply)
He was right near the place that was hit by the missle.
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 06:21 AM — (Reply)
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Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 06:30 AM — (Reply)
I gotta go for now - later.
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 06:33 AM — (Reply)
8. you're a holocaust minimizer
wow do you think a plane crash could feel like a bomb went off? ya think? Had he ever felt or heard a plane crash before?
geesh
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 06:37 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 05:39 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 06:16 AM — (Reply)
EB,
Great find!
Why is our political scene and culture so filled with FREAKS! I though that we didn't allow freaks out in public any more. At least, there are laws in my state banning freak shows.
Comment by Always On Watch— 2008/03/09 @ 03:36 AM — (Reply)
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Comment by Barry G.— 2008/03/09 @ 03:43 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 05:19 AM — (Reply)
Ed
Comment by Ed— 2008/03/09 @ 05:24 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 05:32 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 05:35 AM — (Reply)
What makes it even sadder is they take it so seriously, it has become their life work. And debunkers come along and with little effort punch gaping holes in their little religion.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 06:29 AM — (Reply)
As reported Wednesday by the Daily Star (h/t Hot Air, emphasis added):
Korey Rowe, 24, a veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, was picked up by deputies at about 10:45 p.m. Monday, Otsego County Sheriff Richard Devlin Jr. said.
Rowe, along with Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas, are members of Louder Than Words, a production company that is working on a third edition of the movie "Loose Change," which contends the U.S. government was involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
as one commenter said:
I’m curious why he signed up for the military; when the government who gives the military orders arranged the mass murder of its own citizens?
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 07:25 AM — (Reply)
Comment by aza spade— 2008/03/09 @ 02:07 PM — (Reply)
Troof my *ss
here's the excerpt at the end where Tony Snow was asking the questions.
Q Okay. A couple of things, I think a couple of minutes ago -- I want to make sure -- you said Osama bin Laden wasn't involved in 9/11 planning. You meant Saddam Hussein, correct? That Saddam Hussein was not involved in September 11th?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Correct. Yes, sir.
Q Okay.
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thanks for straightening that out. I didn't realize I'd done that. (Laughter.)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 07:26 AM — (Reply)
Ed
Comment by Ed— 2008/03/09 @ 07:41 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 07:50 AM — (Reply)
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
Tony Snow: "I want to be clear because I've heard you say this, and I've heard the President say it, but I want you to say it for my listeners, which is that the White House has never argued that Saddam was directly involved in September 11th, correct?"
Dick Cheney: "That's correct. "We had one report early on from another intelligence service that suggested that the lead hijacker, Mohamed Atta, had met with Iraqi intelligence officials in Prague, Czechoslovakia. And that reporting waxed and waned where the degree of confidence in it, and so forth, has been pretty well knocked down now at this stage, that that meeting ever took place. So we've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—WhiteHouse.gov, The Tony Snow Show, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releas...
Freudian slip
a mistake made in speaking by which, it is thought, the speaker inadvertently reveals unconscious motives, desires, etc.
-Websters New World Dictionary
Comment by Dugg— 2008/03/09 @ 08:09 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 08:18 AM — (Reply)
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
Hey dugg,
Ever read a most wantd list...it rarely if ever lists specific incidents just the crimes involved
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Here you will find others wanted and you'll see what I mean
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htm
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 08:23 AM — (Reply)
BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
you think this might include the WTC etc?
yeah that's what I thought
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 08:24 AM — (Reply)
New York -- Usama bin Laden and Muhammad Atef were indicted November 4 in Manhattan federal court for the August 7 bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and for conspiring to kill Americans outside the United States.
hey dugg this indictment was in 1998....5 years before the Iraqi war...check out who we believed he was in league with
New York -- A U.S. Federal Grand Jury in New York on Nov. 5 issued an indictment against Usama Bin Laden alleging that he and others engaged in a long-term conspiracy to attack U.S. facilities overseas and to kill American citizens.
The indictment noted that Al Qaeda, Bin Laden's international terrorist group, forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in Sudan and with the government of Iran and with its associated group Hezballah to "work together against their perceived common enemies in
the West, particularly the United States."
Additionally, the indictment states that Al Qaeda reached an agreement with Iraq not to work against the regime of Saddam Hussein and that they would work cooperatively with Iraq, particularly in weapons development.
Spain indicted him for the 9/11 attacks
In order to be listed on the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitive list, the suspect must have been indicted for the crime. To indict Bin Laden formally for the 9/11 attacks would require presenting evidence in a court of law; such evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11 would include intelligence sources, and Al-Qaeda detainees. Making such sources (and methods) publicly known, perhaps isn't advised. In the Zacarias Moussaoui case, a big deal was made over access to detainee witnesses and about handling evidence from other intelligence sources.
In all, the 9/11 attacks were viewed as an "act of war", and the U.S. government is responding accordingly. During the Clinton administration, terrorism was handled more as a matter of law enforcement. This change in how terrorism is handled may be yet another reason why the U.S. government has not bothered to formally indict Bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks.
Regarding this matter, FBI officials told the Washington Post:
The FBI also maintains a list of "Most Wanted Terrorists". This list is accompanied by a note:
The alleged terrorists on this list have been indicted by sitting Federal Grand Juries in various jurisdictions in the United States for the crimes reflected on their wanted posters. Evidence was gathered and presented to the Grand Juries, which led to their being charged. The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice. Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. [2]
A document released by the U.K. government, Responsibility for the terrorist atrocities in the United States, 11 September 2001 presents facts that link Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to the 9/11 attacks.
The U.K. document further notes:
This document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Usama Bin Laden in a court of law. Intelligence often cannot be used evidentially, due both to the strict rules of admissibility and to the need to protect the safety of sources. But on the basis of all the information available HMG is confident of its conclusions as expressed in this document.
Options for prosecuting Bin Laden
Indicting Bin Laden and prosecuting him for his role in the 9/11 attacks, through the usual criminal justice process in the U.S. is not the only and possibly not the best option.
The terrorist crimes of September 11 violate a host of U.S. criminal laws, including laws that criminalize acts of international terrorism (specifically when such acts include homicide); destruction of aircraft, incapacitating any individual on an aircraft, performing an act of violence against any individual on an aircraft, or conspiring to do so; and forgery of passports or other immigration documents. The terrorist crimes also probably constitute crimes against humanity, namely, multiple acts committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack knowingly directed against any civilian population in furtherance of a state or organizational policy. The latter would be a novel charge to prosecute in a U.S. federal court, as it derives from customary international law and is not codified as such in the U.S. federal criminal code. But as a matter of international law, the attacks of September 11 could be characterized as crimes against humanity and could be charged against the perpetrators, if not in U.S. federal court then in a foreign jurisdiction or international tribunal that exercises personal jurisdiction over one or more suspects or recognizes such crimes as crimes of universal jurisdiction.[34]
Foreign courts
Prosecution in foreign national courts may prove to be the more likely alternative to U.S. prosecution in a number of cases. British prosecution of the Lockerbie (Pan Am 103) defendants (albeit in a special courtroom established in The Netherlands and adjudicated under Scottish law by Scottish judges) proved in the long run to be a much more attractive option than U.S. prosecution for that particular terrorist crime. Foreign prosecutions may also have important political advantages. In terms of constructing a robust international legal architecture for dealing with terrorism, the optics and the practical consequences of having prosecutions in both U.S. and foreign courts is significant. This may prove crucial to the long-term campaign, and American victims should take comfort from a scenario in which the United States does not have to go it alone; rather a variety of countries, through rigorous prosecutions, would treat the September 11 attacks and their fallout as attacks against all civilized nations. Foreign trials may also prove essential in dealing with persons in the al Qaeda network who cannot be prosecuted for U.S. crimes but are still important parts of the overall terrorist threat to us.
Terrorist suspects may be investigated and prosecuted in one or more foreign courts regardless of U.S. interests or desires, and this is already happening. A foreign government may refuse a U.S. extradition request, for example. This could well be the case if the United States declines to waive the death penalty with respect to a terrorist suspect held in an anti-death penalty jurisdiction. Also, foreign officials may consider it their own responsibility to bring to justice individuals who engaged within their jurisdiction in the planning or commission of terrorist attacks either on their own soil or elsewhere. And the United States may find it preferable for certain low- or mid-level terrorist suspects to be prosecuted before foreign courts, particularly in highly developed jurisdictions where we have confidence in the judicial system.
Spain
In 2003, Investigative magistrate Baltasar Garzon of Spain issued an indictment against Osama bin Laden for his involvement in the 9/11 attacks. Along with bin Laden, Ramzi Binalshibh and others affiliated with Al Qaeda were also indicted.[35] The indictment included evidence that Spain was used as a staging ground for the attacks.[36] Spain does not allow trials for suspects in absentia.[36]
YAWN
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 08:44 AM — (Reply)
Isn't war great! You just kill *ssholes like bin Laden and you never have to prove ANYTHING in court.
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BG
Comment by Barry G.— 2008/03/09 @ 02:46 PM — (Reply)
Comment by aza spade— 2008/03/09 @ 02:48 PM — (Reply)
Barry...don't think that quite matters to dugg
FJ - it would be nice to get that a-hole
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/03/09 @ 02:53 PM — (Reply)
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BG
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