Elmer's Brother

Paratus Ad Vitem Paratus Ad Mortis

2007/10/19

No Sacrifice No Victory

@ 07:20 PM (25 months, 15 days ago)

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  1. ..that comment had weight....you delated it..it's your blog..i think i hit the point with it

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 04:41 AM — (Reply)

  2. 1. it didn't make sense

    2. this is in tribute to those who gave their life and are sacrificing for us...I don't want to hear your stupid conspiracy theory s*it

    3. Jesus fought evil his whole life and that would include the Muslim extremists

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/10/20 @ 04:49 AM — (Reply)

  3. who BTW admitted to perpetrating 9/11

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/10/20 @ 04:52 AM — (Reply)

  4. IT'S EASY TO PROMOTE THE WAR...BUT THOSE WHICH DIED IN HORROR...IT'S EAZY TO TALK...WHAT IF THE GUN WAS IN YOUR HANDS...WOULD YOU LIKE THE WAR THEN

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 05:12 AM — (Reply)

  5. The gun has been in my hands Damjan. I served in Iraq.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/10/20 @ 11:21 AM — (Reply)

  6. ..I SAID I WNT BOTTER U WITH MY CONSPIRACY REALITIES..U ASKED ME TO STOP...SO I WONT ANSWER...ONLY IF YOU WANT ME TO..MY BROTHER

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 05:13 AM — (Reply)

  7. ...and where did you read jesus stories.....jesus was against violence, against revenge...he would be against your government too...but he wouldn't fight them with weapons and kill their children with bombs....(if i'm reading the right bible)....u actualy think dat jesus would aprove that ...OH MY GOD!!!!!!

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 07:38 AM — (Reply)

  8. ...jesus balived in love...not in killing to avange and profit...if u think he would aprove the WAR OF TERROR.. then we don't talk about same jesus

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 07:40 AM — (Reply)

  9. that's right. You're not discussing the same Jesus, not the Jesus who is also God, part of the Trinity, the Jesus/God/Holy Spirit who, in the Old Testament, sent people to war when it was a righteous cause, like protecting those who love Him, and vanquishing their foes.

    Comment by z— 2007/10/20 @ 07:52 AM — (Reply)

  10. ...but jesus came , preaching love....peter wanted to protect him with his sword..but he forbitet it...and christians should follow the teachings of jesus, cuz he is the light of God--.....and you justify kilings of childen in the name of God...you are right..GOD didn't send nobody...he certinaly wouldn't send g w..to kill the children...he would sent plaque on te terrorist..not on their children....so u bealive in a God that acts with Revenge.....well that's horas in egyptian and Nimrod in Babylonian religion...what is your interpretation of God...did God tak to Chaney and Bush...maybe GOD of money

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 08:23 AM — (Reply)

  11. and the >Bible warned us, that there will be false profits, which would clame that God talket to them and send them to start wars with other countries..but there was a strange sentence there "But God never spoken!"

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 08:29 AM — (Reply)

  12. yes, I believe in a revengeful God. Absolutely. I also believe in context. We are also strongly reminded that our leaders are where they are at the right time. I struggle with it all, believe me. But, trust me, I don't believe in killing innocent children and I praise our military for having so well eliminated accidental killings. God? maybe. The Pentagon/Bush? certainly.

    Comment by — 2007/10/20 @ 09:02 AM — (Reply)

  13. ..u r talking bout jewisch religon....if u don't aprove killings of the childre...u sure aprove and advertise it...

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 09:05 PM — (Reply)

  14. Who is this jackass writing to other than himself / herself?

    Comment by Ernie Els— 2007/10/20 @ 09:45 AM — (Reply)

  15. Jesus admonished Peter because Jesus was supposed to die so your analogy is out of context

    Romans 13 speaks of the government

    13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

    13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

    13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

    In Romans 13 the Bible describes the government as having the authority and the power (given by God) to carry the sword

    From the Forerunner Commentary

    The power they have must be submitted to and obeyed. In the general course of human affairs, rulers are not a terror to honest, quiet, and good subjects, but to evil-doers. Such is the power of sin and corruption, that many will be kept back from crimes only by the fear of punishment

    Laws are stated and have penalties. Rulers enforce them, but that does not stop people from breaking them—in many cases with impunity—especially if they feel no government representative is watching them. The government's power lies largely in coercion, meaning forcible constraint or restraint, whether moral or physical. In other words, it is government by force.

    For instance, most people flagrantly disobey the speed limit on freeways and interstates, especially when they are not crowded, until they spot a patrol car with a trooper or two in it. Suddenly, the speed limit becomes the norm until the trooper is again out of sight. That the law is on the books, prominently displayed and common knowledge are insufficient motivation for many people to obey.

    But love toward God, the love of God, can motivate us to do what the law says to do but cannot motivate us to do. We can conclude that Paul claims that if one exercises God's love in paying his debt to man, he will keep the commandments.

    We could also conclude that Paul says that if one does not break the commandments, he is acting out of love. This is the weaker of the two. Within this context, then, every phase, every facet of our responsibility to God and man, is covered if we make sure love has its place as the motivation for all we do.

    If we really love another person, we cannot possibly injure him. Love would immediately stifle any thought that leads to adultery, murder, theft, or any form of covetousness because love cannot harm. Since love cannot break the laws designed to protect another, it is supreme in providing the right kind of persuasion.

    These New Testament verses agree with Genesis 9 that human governmental authority derives from God. A purpose of human government is to keep chaos from developing. Paul does not specifically stipulate the extent of the wrath that human governments use to keep order, but his mention of "sword" indicates its use as an instrument of capital punishment.

    Within God's purpose, "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). A person practicing sin earns death by his conduct. A difference between this and capital punishment is that God executes directly. Although He has given governments the authority to take life to preserve order—in conjunction with the testimony of at least two witnesses—He has never extended the same right to an individual

    As far as God talking to anyone? Do you pray Damjan? Do you read the scriptures?

    Has God never used either to speak to you?

    damjan last warning if you want to talk about this conspiracy tripe on your blog go right ahead....I dealt with a guy like you for a long time and frankly I'm not going to do it again

    If you think Bush is the/an antichrist...write about it...but not here...I'm not in the mood....

    I was in Iraq Damjan...the difference between us and the terrorists

    they targeted innocent children and considered a success

    we didn't target innocent children and if they were killed we considered it a failure, investigated it, held those responsible accountable (when necessary) and in some cases paid reparations

    the Islamic terrorists are the ones you should be chasing

    Now can you just thank those who have sacrificed



    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/10/20 @ 11:14 AM — (Reply)

  16. As I've often said, Elmer's Bro, there IS no collateral damage to terrorists..that's their goal. The more the better.

    Thanks for standing up for your site, that was my post I forgot to attribute and I didn't much like Damjan's rhetoric so I had to butt in.. Thought you were talking to me there but realized you weren't. BUT, if you do disagree, I respect you and would like to learn. thanks. z

    Comment by Z— 2007/10/20 @ 04:30 PM — (Reply)

  17. I was replying to Damjan zabelle

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/10/20 @ 07:42 PM — (Reply)

  18. ....how can be sure who are false profits,,,wha about if there are both....i got incriminate evidence on muslims and your government...so i'm not suporting anybody...and only that way will my soul stay clear....we cannot be sure....and god desn't speak to gw bush....he doesn't speak to bin laden...he doesn't speak to pope Benedikt...they're false profits

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 09:08 PM — (Reply)

  19. ...MANY OF THEM COMES FROM SLOVENIA...I PRAY FOR THEM CUZ THE WAR IS WRONG...WHY THEY'RE BUILDING THOSE OIL PIPES IF THEY AREN'T THERE FOR OIL...MY FRIEND IS IN AFGHANISTAN AND HE IS 100PERCENT POZITIVE THAT THEY ARE THERE FOR OIL..EVEN THEIR COMANDER IS TELLING THE,,,,,PRIORITY IS TO GUARD THOSE OIL FIELDS....I HOPE U KNOW I PRAY FOR THOSE SOLDIERS, AND I'M NOT AGAINST YOU, BIU I CANNOT APROVE WARS...CUZ THE WORLD WILL COLAPSE SOONER THEN LATER

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 09:24 PM — (Reply)

  20. Damjan, it's best to read other news other than the Int'l Herald Tribune, it's owned by the New York Times. And don't watch Int'l CNN, they're both the far left news and it sounds like you're not thinking...Especially if you're in Slovenia, you ought to know some wars are worth fighting for.

    As for oil and how the commander 'is sure that's what this is about', I for one would like us to SEE some of that oil. So far, nothing's coming out, and everyone on the planet knows that. Also, to protect the world's oil by taking much of it out of Saddam's hands is a good thing. GOod luck to you. You need to start thinking that there are always two sides to every story.

    Comment by Z— 2007/10/21 @ 03:53 AM — (Reply)

  21. Mental health drugs might help too jackass.

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    Comment by Ed— 2007/10/21 @ 04:41 AM — (Reply)

  22. elbro - could he be kin to your arch foe? ...just thinkin'...

    thank you for your service, elbro.

    Comment by nanc— 2007/10/20 @ 01:28 PM — (Reply)

  23. His IP addy says Moribor University Slovenia

    if you're referring to JB his IP is banned and besides Damjan's grasp of English is much better than jobro's

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/10/20 @ 01:43 PM — (Reply)

  24. ..tnx....u know i'n not against you?

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 09:09 PM — (Reply)

  25. i was thinking of the "doctor"...

    Comment by nanc— 2007/10/20 @ 03:29 PM — (Reply)

  26. oh well the doctor doesn't have to hide and he's usually very obvious

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/10/20 @ 03:54 PM — (Reply)

  27. i saw him behind the curtains...on the sitemeter.

    Comment by nanc— 2007/10/20 @ 04:53 PM — (Reply)

  28. It's NOT me.

    Comment by Julio— 2007/10/20 @ 05:19 PM — (Reply)

  29. ....MY BROTHER..I'M A HEYVY PACIFIST AND I DON'T TAKE SIDES...I LOOK ON THINGS OBJECTIVE AND I SEE THERE COULD BE OTHERE SOLUTIONS TO MUSLIM PROBLEMS...(NOT GUATANAMO BAY FILLED WITH TOURISTS).....I DON'T WALK WITH ANYBODY THAT HAS BLOOD ON THEIR HANDSI'M TELLING YOUR ARMY AND EXTREMISTS THAT THEY BOTH ARE WRONG AND FILLD WITH FEAR..I'M JUST DRAMING OF THE WORLD WITHOUT HUNGER AND WARS....AND IN THAT TIME A WAR MAY BE LAST ONE...FEW NUKES AND WE WILL DESTROY OUR PLANE...I KNOW U DON?T WANT THAT..I KNOW U DON'T WANT DEAD CHILDREN...MEDIA 4TH BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH HOW WE THINK AND WHO DO WE SUPPORT....THERE ARE MANY FELLOWS SLOVENES THAT ARE FIGHTING YOUR WAR...AND I PRAY FOR THEM EVERY DAY...WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SOUL OF A SOLDIER THAT WENT THRU THAT HELL CALLED WAR...THEY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME, MEANWHILE POLITICIANS IN EUROPE AND DC ARE DRINKING CHAMPAGNE AND EAT LOBSTERS...CHANEY AND BUSH AREN'T TRAUMATIZED...OUR YOUTH IS CARYING GUNS FOR THEM...AND THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT...AND WAR IS ORIFITABLE...U BETTER RECOGNIZE

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/20 @ 09:20 PM — (Reply)

  30. well if you had read Revelation you would know that your little Utopia that you dream of....not gonna happen

    Heck read the whole Bible you'll see man's nature is to go against God.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2007/10/21 @ 02:51 AM — (Reply)



  31. Damjan's grasp of English is much better than jobro's



    Bwaahaahaaa!!!

    Comment by Brooke— 2007/10/21 @ 07:28 AM — (Reply)

  32. Great tribute, EB!

    Comment by Brooke— 2007/10/21 @ 07:28 AM — (Reply)

  33. Dr. Phil prescribes jackass medication for damnjan:

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    Comment by Ed— 2007/10/21 @ 09:15 AM — (Reply)

  34. Luke 22
    [35] And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
    [36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
    [37] For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
    [38] And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
    Hmmmm, just before Jesus was crucified, he asked if HIS disciples were armed...seems to me that HE had no problem with weapons!
    Try reading Revelation, after all, it is the Lamb who had been slain who opens the seals! And comes back with HIS garments dipped in blood, WHO slays with a 2 edged sword from HIS Mouth.
    And if you truly believe that the newer testament is divorced from the older, you haven't read it word for word, go and do so! It isn't called JUDEO/CHRISTIAN for nothing!
    The first advent, HE came as a servant, the second HE comes as Judge and Conqueror. Get used to it!
    As for these brave souls, who loved their country enough to die for her, they are better men(and women)than most who live here! G*D bless them and their families!

    tmw

    Comment by the merry widow— 2007/10/22 @ 01:22 AM — (Reply)

  35. regardless of how many quotes of script are bantied about, muslim extremist, aka, islamofacist, taliban, al-quieda, and any other jihadi out there. Are the main bad guy. They are the ones brainwashing the young, and listening to some idiot in a cave or mosque telling them to blow themselves up or to kill infedels, or commit the multitude of womens rights violations. They are the social cancer invading the world....None of us.....U.S.A., iran, iraq, russia, england, ect....are all innocent, but look who is blowing up children and innocents by the dozens or more, all in the name of some damned doctrine centuries old written by a man, and therefore flawed. When is the last time the usa or allies strapped bombs to a pregnant women, and sent her to a crowded area and have her blow herself up?...wake up and smell the burkha....riff

    Comment by riffran— 2007/10/22 @ 02:37 AM — (Reply)

  36. AND WHO'S KILLNG CHILDREN WIT VACUM BOMBS...I'M NOT DEFENDING ISLAM RADICALS.....

    Comment by Damjan— 2007/10/24 @ 07:31 AM — (Reply)

  37. Damn right Riff..look at whos living in a cave now...dummies intent on blowing themselves up along with the innocent

    Comment by aza spade— 2007/10/22 @ 02:54 AM — (Reply)

  38. Where there's a will, there's a way?

    Comment by Farmer John— 2007/10/23 @ 02:43 AM — (Reply)

  39. i just happened on this site......someone wanna tell me what its all about?

    Comment by tricia— 2007/10/27 @ 07:46 PM — (Reply)

  40. what do you want to know tricia?

    Comment by elmers brother— 2007/10/28 @ 02:47 AM — (Reply)

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