moonbattery gone wild
I thought this was called assault. h/t nanc
from Moonbattery
Syracuse radio station WFBL reports that Lauren Maggi, 35, of Thurber Street was charged with harassment for spitting in a soldier's face at Hancock Airport.
The incident happened over the Thanksgiving holiday. Maggi approached a soldier from the 10th Mountain Division, who apparently was not in uniform, and asked if he was a soldier. When he said yes, Maggi allegedly spit in his face.
WFBL's news service is supplied by television station WTVH, which has nothing posted yet about the incident on its website. Syracuse.com carries this blurb:
• Woman accused of spitting on soldier A Syracuse woman was charged after a Fort Drum soldier accused her of spitting on him without provocation at Hancock Airport, Syracuse police said.
On January 18 of this year, Lauren Maggi, 34, of Thurber Street, was charged with endangering the welfare of a child.
Someone tell me again about how the Left supports the troops, but not their mission.
Update: More details
Jason Jones, 21, told police a woman he did not know walked up to him near the United Airlines ticket counter, asked him if he was a Fort Drum solider and, when he responded that he was, spat in his face.
Police searched the airport garage and located a woman fitting the description that Jones provided, who was later identified as Maggi. Police escorted her into the terminal, where Jones identified her as the woman who had spit on him. A second soldier on the scene supported Jones' accusation, police said.
Maggi offered no explanation for her conduct, police said. She could not be reached for comment Thursday night.
And then there is also this on the woman.
Police Blotter
Thursday, February 02, 2006
Syracuse Police Endangering the welfare of a child Lauren Maggi,34, of 256 Thurber St., Syracuse, Jan. 18. Charged at 256 Thurber St., Syracuse.
i say we send her all of our junk mail...
google her - what a snake!
fault
Comment by nanc— 2006/12/11 @ 05:41 PM — (Reply)
and of course, i must reiterate the comment i made at moonbattery:
"she's been charged with second degree harassment - if someone had done that to me as i were returning from service protecting my country - i would have reached down their throat and pulled out their slimy little heart out their throat and said something like, "oops, third degree retaliation!"
goes without saying...in some places...
origin
Comment by nanc— 2006/12/11 @ 05:45 PM — (Reply)
I'm all for barraging her with mounds of patriotic junk mail. Nothing harrassing, mind you. Just 3 or 4 hundred articles about the good our soldiers do.
Comment by Cate— 2006/12/12 @ 01:41 AM — (Reply)
zip code for this b*tch is:
13210-3660
Comment by Joe Gringo— 2006/12/12 @ 05:08 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Brooke— 2006/12/12 @ 05:16 AM — (Reply)
EB..I want to apologize for the disgusting post left at my site in reference to your children.
I've copied both post and I'm trying to decide whether to contact authorities or not.
My policy has always been to not moderate post but unfortunately that allows scum like John Brown to take advantage.
Comment by American Crusader— 2006/12/12 @ 07:17 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/12 @ 09:31 AM — (Reply)
don't forget when doing your mitzvah's, to send a little something to the soldier to let him know how much we love him:
afzs-pao@drum.army.mil
that's a public affairs addy. here's the base post office website, found at moonbattery:
http://www.drum.army.mil/sites/feedback/contact.asp
Comment by nanc— 2006/12/12 @ 10:09 AM — (Reply)
Oh god, Elbro.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/12 @ 04:44 PM — (Reply)
I've checked out your site, and you're exactly what I said you were. You're a coward, Elbro. You have no convictions. You proved that on Brooke's site. You chastised me for not knowing your position, but I was RIGHT ON. Again, you are a coward and a hypocrite. Very good.
Comment by Cataprhact— 2006/12/12 @ 04:49 PM — (Reply)
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Comment by Barry G.— 2006/12/15 @ 01:32 PM — (Reply)
You mean the conviction to serve my country for 20 years, including combat in Iraq, being married to the same woman for 21 years....are those the convictions you're talking about?
Who's the coward here? You still haven't explained yourself so all you've done is make yourself look like a fool. I wonder who the coward is now?
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/12 @ 06:37 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/12 @ 06:49 PM — (Reply)
cataract is judge and jury...????
Comment by — 2006/12/12 @ 07:39 PM — (Reply)
So you decided I was coward after looking at 2 of my posts????
You're a riot Cataract.
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Comment by elmers brother— 2006/12/12 @ 07:49 PM — (Reply)
You're what I thought too cataract, a pseudo intellectual who wants everyone to have a Rodney King moment.
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Comment by elmers brother— 2006/12/12 @ 07:52 PM — (Reply)
i'm hearing the music from "twilight zone" - how appropriate that catamaran would show up on a moonbattery post - kind of drives the point home, eh, elbro?
baiter
i kid you not. that's my sign in word...
Comment by nanc— 2006/12/13 @ 02:09 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/13 @ 02:19 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Ernie Els— 2006/12/13 @ 02:47 AM — (Reply)
people in arkansas are not generally THAT dhimmiwitted! as long as he's the only one...
harry
p.s. i left a response to you at tmw's second post down i believe - well, if she hasn't gone haywire and put ten more posts up! ha! when the spirit hits her and she gets on a roll - LOOK OUT!
Comment by nanc— 2006/12/13 @ 03:56 AM — (Reply)
I hate that crappe that adds to or takes from G*D's Word, I get combative! Screaming Eagle, that's me!
tmw
PS- Please be praying, I think I got RSV from my daughter's best friend, argh!
Comment by the merry widow— 2006/12/13 @ 04:45 AM — (Reply)
OK...who shit in cataracts cornflakes?
It takes a tough guy to call someone a coward over the Internet.
Unfortunately, dealing with trolls comes with the territory.
Comment by American Crusader— 2006/12/13 @ 07:36 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/13 @ 11:54 AM — (Reply)
Bad form...
Comment by Brooke— 2006/12/13 @ 03:21 PM — (Reply)
Brooke- I think someone, somewhere else backhanded him, so he was out looking for a fight! EB is just giving him what he wanted, just not the way he wanted!
Warren's post on cyberbullies and stalkers fits!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!
tmw
thorny
Comment by the merry widow— 2006/12/14 @ 01:44 AM — (Reply)
Nice research EB, I think you shut that punk up.
Comment by Joe Gringo— 2006/12/14 @ 08:43 AM — (Reply)
Ahhhhhhh, nice. You guys have proven my point for me. One woman spits in a soldier's face, and the left doesn't support the troops. That's the kind of intellectual laziness I'm talking about.
For one thing, there's really not that much of a "Left" in the country if you're using it in a traditional manner.
And you have no convictions because all you could argue was that decency depended on the audience. That sound's like relativism.
American Crusader, he was a moral coward. On the flip side of what you wrote, it takes no courage to stand up for one's beliefs on the internet. Elbro chose not to. Look at Brooke's dedication to the Pearl Harbor attacks. He couldn't or wouldn't admit that certain comments were indecent. No conviction.
But you won't listen.
And I can judge. That's my responsibility as an American citizen.
Why respond to that woman's idiocy by canvassing the "left" with hate.
I suspect hate and relativism are second nature to you.
And I am a riot.
Of course, Nanc has the most necon "Christian" response. Nice, violence.
So tiresome.
I know how this will be responded to. Insults. Deflections. You will still refuse to address the issues. One woman does not equal an entire political ideology (which you fail to define) and there is a reason to separate the sacred from the profane (if you don't, the profane corrupts the sacred in the mind of the people).
But you won't listen. You really don't seem to care.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 09:27 AM — (Reply)
The left doesn't support the troops....do you want more examples...we can give them to you...everything from the MSM that refuses to leave their hotel rooms to report what's really going on to politicians like Kerry. But this is besides the point.
You can judge but no one will listen to you. You catch more flies with honey. Instead you used vinegar. You lack social skills, common decency and consideration.
and because you're NOT THE JUDGE I could really care less what you think of me.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 09:35 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 09:36 AM — (Reply)
We don't know your point that's the problem.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 09:38 AM — (Reply)
Paragraph 1 - Deflection
Paragraph 2 - Deflection
Paragraph 3 - Deflection
Paragraph 4 - Deflection and Relativism (assumes the judge cares what you think about the judge)
Pargraph 5 - Deflection
Pargraph 6 - Deflection (of the "I know you are but what am I sort)
*Sigh*
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 09:58 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 10:02 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 10:03 AM — (Reply)
Again, you prove my point. You defended those comments by using a relativistic argument.
*yawn* paragraph - dismissal deflection (pretend the oppostion has no argument)
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 10:10 AM — (Reply)
Oh yeah, paragraph 1 - ad hominem (make personal attacks on the speaker while ignoring the arguments of the speaker)
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 10:12 AM — (Reply)
No response? Can't you try to change the subject again?
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 10:26 AM — (Reply)
Ahhhhhhh, nice. You guys have proven my point for me. One woman spits in a soldier's face, and the left doesn't support the troops. That's the kind of intellectual laziness I'm talking about.
traits of a person with narcissistic personality disorder conceited, argumentative, or selfish
For one thing, there's really not that much of a "Left" in the country if you're using it in a traditional manner.
more traits of NPD - If you disagree with them, they'll say you're lying, making stuff up, or are crazy
And you have no convictions because all you could argue was that decency depended on the audience. That sound's like relativism.
NPD cont'd - Trying to reform narcissists by reasoning with them or by appealing to their better nature is about as effective as spitting in the ocean
American Crusader, he was a moral coward. On the flip side of what you wrote, it takes no courage to stand up for one's beliefs on the internet. Elbro chose not to. Look at Brooke's dedication to the Pearl Harbor attacks. He couldn't or wouldn't admit that certain comments were indecent. No conviction.
Even when very intelligent, narcissists can't reason well.
But you won't listen.
Not to you. Symptoms of messiah complex, florence nightingale psychosis.
And I can judge. That's my responsibility as an American citizen.
Discussions with narcissists can be really weird and disconcerting; they seem to think that using some of the same words means that they are following a line of conversation or reasoning. Thus, they will go off on tangents and irrelevancies, apparently in the blithe delusion that they understand what others are talking about
Why respond to that woman's idiocy by canvassing the "left" with hate.
Narcissists seem to be restrained only by fear of being punished or of damaging their reputations -- though, again, this can be obscure to casual observation if you don't know what they think their reputations are, and what they believe others think of them may be way out of touch with reality Their moral intelligence is about at the level of a bright five- or six-year-old; the only rules they recognize are things that have been specifically required, permitted, prohibited, or disapproved of by authority figures they know personally.
I suspect hate and relativism are second nature to you.
See above analysis but add a teaspoon of messiah complex
And I am a riot.
Of course, Nanc has the most necon "Christian" response. Nice, violence.
So tiresome.
Narcissists are generally contemptuous of others. This seems to spring, at base, from their general lack of empathy, and it comes out as (at best) a dismissive attitude towards other people's feelings, wishes, needs, concerns, standards, property, work, etc. It is also connected to their overall negative outlook on life. ^
Narcissists are (a) extremely sensitive to personal criticism and (b) extremely critical of other people. They think that they must be seen as perfect or superior or infallible, next to god-like (if not actually divine, then sitting on the right hand of God) -- or else they are worthless. There's no middle ground of ordinary normal humanity for narcissists. They can't tolerate the least disagreement.
I know how this will be responded to. Insults. Deflections. You will still refuse to address the issues. One woman does not equal an entire political ideology (which you fail to define) and there is a reason to separate the sacred from the profane (if you don't, the profane corrupts the sacred in the mind of the people).
Accepting them as they are (and staying away from them entirely) is excellent advice. The other "punishment" narcissists mete out is banishing you from their glorious presence -- this can turn into a farce, since by this point you are probably praying to be rescued, "Dear God! How do I get out of this?" The narcissist expects that you will be devastated by the withdrawal of her/his divine attention, so that after a while -- a few weeks or months (i.e., the next time the narcissist needs to use you for something) -- the narcissist will expect you to have learned your lesson and be eager to return to the fold
But you won't listen. You really don't seem to care.
YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE REMEMBER.
Narcissists are naive and vulnerable, pathetic really, no matter how arrogant and forceful their words or demeanor. They have pretty good reasons for their paranoia and cynicism, their sneakiness, evasiveness, prevarications. This is the one I get suckered on. They are so out of touch with other people and what goes on around them that they are very susceptible to exploitation. On the other hand, they're so inattentive, and so disconnected from what other people are up to, that they don't recognize when someone is taking advantage of them.
Narcissists are grandiose. They live in an artificial self invented from fantasies of absolute or perfect power, genius, beauty, etc. Normal people's fantasies of themselves, their wishful thinking, take the form of stories -- these stories often come from movies or TV, or from things they've read or that were read to them as children. They involve a plot, heroic activity or great accomplishments or adventure: normal people see themselves in action, however preposterous or even impossible that action may be -- they see themselves doing things that earn them honor, glory, love, riches, fame, and they see these fantasy selves as personal potentials, however tenuous, something they'd do if they didn't have to go to school or go to work, if they had the time and the money.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 10:28 AM — (Reply)
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Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 10:35 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 10:39 AM — (Reply)
I'm in a rush, but I'll try.
Deflectons. Try to stay on topic.
And please, define "Left." Do you mean socialst/communist political parties, or do you mean liberal groups, or do you mean progressives. Your type is sloppy with classification.
To be honest, didn't have time to read all of your post. Will later. Got to go.
Deflect! Deflect! Elbro can deflect! Hooray!
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 10:48 AM — (Reply)
woe is me...
group hug - group hug!
client
Comment by nanc— 2006/12/14 @ 10:51 AM — (Reply)
The other "punishment" narcissists mete out is banishing you from their glorious presence -- this can turn into a farce, since by this point you are probably praying to be rescued, "Dear God! How do I get out of this?" The narcissist expects that you will be devastated by the withdrawal of her/his divine attention, so that after a while -- a few weeks or months (i.e., the next time the narcissist needs to use you for something) -- the narcissist will expect you to have learned your lesson and be eager to return to the fold
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 10:58 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 11:02 AM — (Reply)
i'd put money on it that this catty guy is a defense attorney - i've worked around plenty - it's one of the few jobs a person can get when they're not attractive enough to be an actor. this way they still get an audience during summations. and talk about narcissistic!
bongo
now we can do the kumbayah song!
Comment by nanc— 2006/12/14 @ 11:05 AM — (Reply)
My, my, a bit out of touch, I would say. I don't think he read any of what you wrote, EB. I do believe he had to rush off to his mirror to make sure he was still as gorgeous as when he left it! I think his pick of a squirrel was appropriate! Squirrelly. He never read anything you posted, not all the way through. Sad little man.
tmw
velar
Comment by the merry widow— 2006/12/14 @ 11:06 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 11:08 AM — (Reply)
The best – really, the only way – a narcissist can help himself is by applying to a mental health professional. Even then, sadly, the prognosis and the healing prospects are dim. It seems that only time can bring on a limited remission (or, at times, aggravation of the condition). Therapy can tackle the more pernicious aspects of this disorder. It can help the patient to adapt to his condition, to accept it and to learn to conduct a more functional life with it. Learning to live with one's disorder – is a great achievement and the narcissist should be happy that even this modicum of success is, in principle, possible.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 11:21 AM — (Reply)
"If you have no case, abuse the plaintiff." - Cicero
All you do Elbro and Merry Widow is further deomonstrate what you are. All of your responses are ad hominem. You insult me rather than dealing with the issue at hand.
Let me try again. What is the "Left"? How does this one incident represent it? Use your other examples if you wish.
Let me use an analogy. By saying that this woman proves that the leftists of the country don't support the troops, you're saying that the following statement is valid:
That guy from Will and Grace is gay. He's an American. Americans must be gay.
The previous statement was absolutely rediculous. Of course in your case you fail to define the group you're accusing.
Notice also that I'm handing this to you. I've given up on your moral flexibility concerning your defence of statements on Brooke's blog.
Address the issue of the fool who spat on the soldier. I assume you'll attack me again. Prove me wrong.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 12:33 PM — (Reply)
Address the issue of the fool who spat on the soldier. I assume you'll attack me again. Prove me wrong.
The first step involves self-awareness. The narcissist consistently convinces himself that everyone else is wrong, deficient, lacking, and incapable. People who wish to help refuse to take part in the elaborate game that is the narcissist's soul. They rebel. There are many winners in therapy – but only one loser if it fails.
Most narcissists reject the notion or diagnosis that they are mentally disturbed. Absent powers of introspection and a total lack of self-awareness are part and parcel of the disorder. Pathological narcissism is founded on alloplastic defences – the firm conviction that the world or others are to blame for one's behaviour.
The narcissist can get better, but rarely does he get well ("heal"). The reason is the narcissist's enormous life-long, irreplaceable and indispensable emotional investment in his disorder
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 12:40 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 12:42 PM — (Reply)
My guess is Cicero wouldn't give the time of day to someone who called him a coward.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 12:45 PM — (Reply)
There's no response to your tactics. All you do is insult me. You refuse to be reasonable.
(Cue plagiarized NPD material)
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 12:48 PM — (Reply)
Face it, Elbro. You never had the moral courage to answer my questions. What does that say?
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 12:49 PM — (Reply)
The end of therapy is really only the beginning of a new, more exposed life. Maybe it is this, which terrifies the narcissist. The narcissist is emotionally attached to only one thing: his disorder. The narcissist loves his disorder, desires it passionately, cultivates it tenderly, is proud of its "achievements. Where normal people love others and empathise with them, the narcissist loves his False Self and identifies with it to the exclusion of all else – his True Self included.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 12:52 PM — (Reply)
*yawn*
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 12:53 PM — (Reply)
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Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 12:55 PM — (Reply)
No, I didn't get your card.
It was insulting in the same sense that a politician would give a political speech during a eulogy.
And you have proven to be a moral coward. Keep changing the subject, pleas. Each time you do so, you prove you have less and less conviction.
Comment by Cataphracto— 2006/12/14 @ 01:03 PM — (Reply)
I usually wouldn't engage anyone who acts like you do but I'm a softy at heart. If it's clarity you want then start with some etiquette.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 01:05 PM — (Reply)
Sorry about the mis-spelling.
See what I mean, though? I said we could leave the Brooke blog incident aside, and you bring it back up, much to your discredit. Again, there should be a separation between the sacred and the profane.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 01:06 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 01:06 PM — (Reply)
(dear Lord give me patience)
as I brought it up to you was your lack of tact. You wanted to change the subject to why you were offended. In my opinion the comments did not rise to the level of an insult. We have a disagreement about that for which we will never agree. AHA CLARITY!
However you have never manned up to the fact that you have been a jerk. Now you want me to engage you in a civil discourse after you did the same thing. No. I don't owe you jack.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 01:10 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 01:12 PM — (Reply)
I won't look at that site. You deflect. You change the subject. You can't answer my questions.
You don't care. You are a victim of group-think. If you do try to answer my questions, you will be the victim of such ridicule as you have given me. That's the problem primate dominance psychology.
Change the subject. If I have a point, accuse me of incivility. If I ask you a specific question, bring up another topic. If you can't answer a question, accuse me of a social disorder.
Clever, clever.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. You're the Great Oz.
Comment by Cataphracto— 2006/12/14 @ 01:12 PM — (Reply)
Actually I did apologize on Brooke's site. You said it was her virtual front porch; that struck me. She's always been a good sport.
But again, nice job changing the subject.
Nice.
Comment by Cataphracto— 2006/12/14 @ 01:15 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 01:16 PM — (Reply)
dugg left what I thought was an inappropriate comment about a conspiracy theory. I politely told him it was a memorial and had no place there. He apologized...all is well with the world...dugg is left of center yet we disagree amiably.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 01:20 PM — (Reply)
You started off with incivility and then you want to ask a specific question. Sir...no one owes you jack after you insult them. No one owes you anything but a polite thanks for stopping by, here's your hat what's your hurry?
But you insist on continuing to be a jerk and then get upset when it's thrown right back at you. Again I say I don't owe you anything. If you want to make the world better visit Emily Post first.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 01:23 PM — (Reply)
Will this make you happy Cataract?
I have often been wrong,
You are the one with the disorder.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 01:24 PM — (Reply)
Cataphract: I was wondering how you define "insert whatever you want here"? Do you mean such and such?
Elmers Brother: I would define "insert Cataract's word here" as such and such and No I meant this and that.
Cataraphracto: Do you think that is a good way to describe it?
Elmers Brother: It's what I meant.
Cataphract: Well I think that is such and such. Perhaps you could have said such and such.
Elmers Brother: Perhaps you're right Cataphract.
or I could have said....
Elmers Brother: I disagree with you because of such and such.
WoW! we agree to disagree and we did it politely. Clarity is much more important than agreement and POLITENESS will get you even further.
end of lesson 1
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 01:34 PM — (Reply)
There are some things to disagree politely on. Other things are too important.
No one owes me jack, as you put it. That's not the point.
Oh, and okay, so you can feel my pain. Nice to be all touchy-feely. But I can't see what Dugg wrote and don't care to. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Gratz. You again proved me right. Change the subject.
Now focus on the point of this post. Answer my questions. Or are you just in the business of demagoguery?
Batta, batta, batta, batta - Deflect!
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Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 02:20 PM — (Reply)
Most cerebral narcissists are very intelligent. They base their grandiose fantasies on these natural advantages. When faced with a reasoned analysis, which shows that they suffer from NPD – most of them accept and acknowledge the new information. But first they have to face it – and this is the difficult part: they all are deniers of reality.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 02:24 PM — (Reply)
When at risk of getting in touch with the reality of being mentally disturbed (and, as a result, with his emotions) – the narcissist displays the whole spectrum of emotional reactions usually associated with bereavement. At first he denies the facts, ignores them and distorts them to fit an alternative, coherent, non-narcissistic, interpretation
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 02:27 PM — (Reply)
This is the point isn't it.
The narcissist loves an image which he projects unto others and which is affirmed by them. The projected image is reflected back at the narcissist and, thus, he is reassured both of its existence and of the boundaries of his Ego. This continuous process blurs all distinctions between reality and fantasy.
A False Self leads to false assumptions and to a contorted personal narrative, to a false worldview, and to a grandiose, inflated sense of being. The latter is rarely grounded in real achievements or merit. The narcissist's feeling of entitlement is all-pervasive, demanding and aggressive. It easily deteriorates into open verbal, psychological and physical abuse of others.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 02:30 PM — (Reply)
So very disappointing. I expected more out of ya Elbro.
This is what I have learned:
The rightness of an action or word depends on the audience. (moral relativism of the most disgusting type)
Do not in any manner actually stand behind your convictions.
All Americans are gay because the guy on Will and Grace is.
Make sure you don't say ANYTHING that will contradict anything your peers say.
When in doubt, accuse him whom you disagree with of a mental/social disorder. (nice one - playground tactics)
And in general, don't answer criticisms of your positions.
Yep, I was right. You're a Neo-Neocon.
Hooray! I was right about you. I may be rude, but I'm right. You exactly what I thought you were. Have a good night. Be happy knowing that you teach these wholesome lessons to those around you. Man, didn't expect such moral relativism from one such as you.
Cya.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 02:33 PM — (Reply)
AH CLARITY!
One of life's biggest set ups for being lonely is living with the erroneous belief that your way is the only way. Some people seem to have taken a life course called, How To Be Absolutely Sure of Everything! It's like their reality testing mechanism is stuck on "It so because I think it is so." People who feel constantly threatened and angry when others question their actions substitute being right for living a happy life. Living daily always on the defense being in charge of the rights and wrongs of the Universe is no fun!
Wanting and insisting on getting your own way is a set up for unhappiness.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 02:39 PM — (Reply)
Okay, one more time.
Again, you change the subject.
Again, you minimize my comments by suggesting I have a social/mental disorder.
And yet you won't answer the questions.
And by the way, where are you stealing this information on NPD or whatever you call it? You really don't seem to be reading what you copy and past.
Good night. Stay focused.
Batta, batta, batta, Deflect!
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 02:42 PM — (Reply)
Really, who are you stealing this from. I could just as easily be pasting from wikipedia, but I don't see the point.
Elbro, you're funny. Why do you refuse to back up your words?
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 02:44 PM — (Reply)
WTH? I'm only one for a few weeks and you let the whole neighborhood just go to hell, man?
Cataphract,
I'll be your huckleberry.
With respect to Brooke's post, you got derailed from the get go with your very first word. "Typical." With that you pigeonholed everyone who'd already posted and categorized them according to some personally defined stereotype. And you clearly offended EB and others with that.
Let me make my position perfectly clear. I've never heard of Mike Church and I rarely listen to Rush Limbaugh or read Ann Coulter or any talking head of any political persuasion, my thoughts are my own. Here goes:
It royally pisses me off when people use a dead soldier, sailor or airman as a banner for politics because our servicemembers come from nearly every political ideology, race, creed, religion and various nationalities but they all bleed red. When they die, it is in service to a nation of people, most of whom have little appreciation or understanding of their choice to serve. A million man army in a nation of 300 million means most people have relatively little knowledge of the services. I am not one of those.
As for the comments on Brooke's page, I think they are the result of the increasing disgust decent Americans feel for a vocal segment of our population who are courted and supported by politicians like Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry and who have demonstrated radically anti-military sentiment.
Take San Francisco for example. No really, take it. And while you're doing that, take all those law schools who want my tax dollars but not my friends who are serving as military recruiters.
If you want to read into the political code speak and make issue of it, that's up to you. But the simple fact is that you walked in on a conversation among friends most of whom share a deep and abiding appreciation for the military and are slowly filling with rage over the fact that this country didn't learn a damn thing about treating veterans, even after Vietnam. And btw, this article above about a soldier being spat upon is one of many. The "support the troops" stickers don't mean jack when the driver of the SUV bearing the $3 magnet is holding up a sign that says "We support our troops when they shoot their officers." Or when it's parked just south of Walter Reid where the ladies of Code Pink are picketing outside of the hospital room windows of our wounded.
World War II has become a symbol for those who love the military. Iwo Jima is our brass serpent, our call to remembrance - you want to know why? Because it's the only war in American history where a simple majority came together in support of our uniformed services. It's the only war that some in this country have felt was just and it was one, if not the only, time in recent memory when our soldiers returned to a grateful nation that treated them honorably.
If it bothers you that when we see the imagery of that day we cough, sputter, spit and snidely remark about the way things ought to be, then you clearly don't understand us. Student of Brooke's or not.
Comment by Cate— 2006/12/14 @ 02:48 PM — (Reply)
Here's what I have learned.
A person who goes by the name of Cataphract is a self-righteous jerks.
A person who goes by the name of Cataphract is demanding.
A person who goes by the name of Cataphract lacks social skills.
A person named Cataphract wants to make the world a better place but lacks the socialization and manners to get his point across.
A person named Cataphract can't name me one WWII veteran that was insulted.
A person named Cataphract thinks people owe him an explanation.
A person named Cataphract wouldn't know reason and logic if he got hit over the head with a baseball bat.
A person named Cataphract lacks a sense of humor.
A person named Cataphract needs Emily Post.
A person named Cataphract doesn't appreciate get well cards when the intention was good.
A person named Cataphract is shallow and believes he knows a person based on reading a blog.
A person named Cataphract could have made friends here but chose otherwise.
A person named Cataphract knows how to crash a party.
A person named Cataphract has a messiah complex.
A person named Cataphract is a snake oil salesman.
A person named Cataphract has a Florence Nightingale psychosis.
A person named Cataphract needs to get in touch with his male side.
A person named Cataphract finally got the hint.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:03 PM — (Reply)
Really, who are you stealing this from.
I'll provide the link, I think you could use the help.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:10 PM — (Reply)
narcissists deny they need help
I read them and I think they applied.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:11 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Brooke— 2006/12/14 @ 03:16 PM — (Reply)
Who is going to apologize to the American people for multiculturalism? Riddle me that Batman.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:17 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Brooke— 2006/12/14 @ 03:21 PM — (Reply)
Why should I this is much more fun.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:23 PM — (Reply)
Cate, you're right about recruitment. Service in the military should be one of the highest paying jobs in the nation. It's unfortunate that it isn't. As far as lawyers go, it's awfully strange that you limit this to San Francisco. That may require explanation.
I do take offense, Cate. My argument with Elbro concerns his lack of conviction. You don't seem to have that. You responded. You didn't insult me.
And you're right about WWII. We showed the best of what the Western tradition could produce: brave soldiers, independent officers, and resourceful commanders.
Cate, it's just that I'm sick of the sloppiness. It causes so much heartsickness for the nation. It makes me angry, and it comes out here.
Crudeness, sloppiness, unethical changes of heart, these are what disturb me. Elbro seems to master these.
I'm a patriot. Being a patriot means wanting what's best for the nation, no? That means making us the best citizens possible.
Thanks for the cincerity Cate.
Elbro, thanks for changing the subject once again.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 03:26 PM — (Reply)
Might I suggest that if you take issue with someone's opinions or find factual errors you simply state them. It is much more honest and effective to simply say "I disagree with the sentiments expressed above and here's why..." EB can tell you horror stories of how I've been taken down a few pegs more than once because I was being stylistic in my writing. (EB, Remember the run-in with Democratic Daily? LOL)
This medium lends itself to flagrant misinterpretation and until you have an established relationship with another blogger, you can't be sure that you are understood.
BTW, I posed a question to you at the bottom of the thread.
Comment by Cate— 2006/12/14 @ 06:15 PM — (Reply)
Again, Elbro, multiculturalism? Change of subject. You answer for what you posted.
Try taking responsibility for what you do and say. Isn't that the American way? If you don't, that must mean you're not American, right? Answer for what you wrote, or you prove that you're un-American.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 03:28 PM — (Reply)
it sounds a little like the uppity one - if it wasn't from arkansas - seeing as how it posts from mountain view - i'll take another stab at it and say since it's in that area - it's a liberal stinking professor at lyon college! probably doesn't like the scottish festival either - too many macho men in skirts! not girly enough for it.
condescending little pip!
upkeep
finally, a word that doesn't offend me.
Comment by nanc— 2006/12/14 @ 03:35 PM — (Reply)
THERE IS A CLUE THERE?
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:37 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:38 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:39 PM — (Reply)
sarcasm inserted to show how demanding you are...I guess I have to go slower
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:41 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:43 PM — (Reply)
well then...
lesson 3
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 03:45 PM — (Reply)
lesson 4
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 04:00 PM — (Reply)
Oooh, Elbro, calm down. You're getting a little incoherent. I agreed with most of what Cate said, but she was open and honest. You've been evasive. You haven't answered anything. Cate is noble and ethical in her statement. You are not. It's nice that someone like you has such role models.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 04:06 PM — (Reply)
When in doubt, pretend you're not serious. If that's the case, i'm done here. Are you serious, or are you just here to fool around Elbro.
Are you serious?
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 04:11 PM — (Reply)
I've been evasive because you're the one asking. HELLLO!
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 04:11 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 04:11 PM — (Reply)
take me off your favorites
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 04:15 PM — (Reply)
Can one of my blogging friends please give poor Cataract a clue here.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 04:20 PM — (Reply)
Weak answers, Elbro. You don't have answers.
Prove me wrong.
If you don't, I'll assume I'm right.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 04:28 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 04:29 PM — (Reply)
So you don't care about the fate of America. Listen one and all, Elbro doesn't care about the fate of America. It's all fun and games to him. None of this matters. None of it. It's just for fun. Or is it just for show?
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 04:55 PM — (Reply)
Okay, I admit I'm a jerk. I'm a jerk.
Now answer the questions.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 04:29 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 04:30 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/14 @ 04:35 PM — (Reply)
Okay, pretty, pretty please. I'm sorry I'm a jerk. Please address my questions. Pretty, pretty please.
Your problem is that you're a victim of group think. Prove me wrong. Please. You're a smart guy. Think this through.
Prove me wrong.
You've answered none of my questions. To say it's because of my attitude is Deflection.
But you're familiar with deflection. It's your friend. It's how you get through argument.
Blame the plaintiff for your shortcomings. Please.
Assume I'm a reformed jerk and answer my question. If not, in my next post I'll insult you, seriously. Coward is nothing. That was to goad you into action. Apparently you don't care that you're a coward.
If you don't answer my questions about the woman who spit on the soldier, I'll really tell you what I think. I'll use the rules that you have used in civility. I'll tell you what I think you are.
I hate to do this, but it's your choice: Answer the questions hear what it is you are (besides being a moral coward - that's understood).
Your choice.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 04:40 PM — (Reply)
Nope, she wouldn't fall on the Neo-con side. She's probably liberal in ideology.
But take Fred Phelps. He's pretty extreme. I don't judge conservitives by his idiocy.
Get some perspective, Elbro.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 04:42 PM — (Reply)
And by the way, liberal does not mean leftist. You are a victim of sloppy, sloppy thinking. Clean up your processes.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 04:49 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Barry G.— 2006/12/14 @ 05:09 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 03:30 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 03:34 AM — (Reply)
Would you concede that on the issue of the military, Americans in general are Pharisitically myopic? They herald the dead of Omaha beach like Rabbis preaching Mosaic law but ignore the contemporary miracles going on all around them. 'A prophet is not without honor in his own country' could easily be rewritten 'in his own time'. Another reason, the Brokaw mentality of "the greatest generation" is so grating to me. Of course, they were a great generation but no greater than any men in any time who stand ready to fight and die for another. The real insult to the men who died that day is the disgrace of only paying lip service to the support of ther heirs, the men and women who stand up for freedom right now.
Comment by Cate— 2006/12/14 @ 05:16 PM — (Reply)
Cate, that's the whole point. Taking one fool to represent a group is foolish. You have demonstrated my point for me.
The woman who spat in the soldier's face is not represenative of the "left."
Thanks for clarifying, Cate.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 06:11 PM — (Reply)
I agree that most people would not spit in a soldier's face. But you can hardly compare Phelps' band of inbreds (they are mostly his relatives) to the tens of thousands who march at anti war rallies wearing Che shirts and Hamas bandanas.
Nor can you claim institutional acceptance of gay bashing a la Westboro on the right. But on the other side of the spectrum we see groupthink driving military recruiters out of an entire city and trying to drive them out of law schools nationally. Do you suggest that the anti-military sentiment is an aberration in the face of such evidence? If so, it is certainly a much greater fringe than the 6 or so Kansans who shout homophobic insults at funerals.
From your comments, it appears that you are offended at the suggestion that all liberals or leftists or whatever term is used are anti-military. And yet with your first word "Typical" you broadbrush all conservatives as fitting into your preconceived notion of them. I don't mean to harp on that but this seems to be a case of the pot and the kettle here.
BTW, you did not respond to the last paragraph - do you believe that Americans generally venerate dead (or nearly so) soldiers while hating the ones who are fighting today?
Comment by Cate— 2006/12/14 @ 06:29 PM — (Reply)
I never made such claims. What are you saying?
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 06:50 PM — (Reply)
Comment by Cate— 2006/12/15 @ 08:09 AM — (Reply)
You haven't responded, Elbro. I've given you enough time to change my mind.
It's too late.
I'm right. One example cannot represent a whole group.
I focus now on this one subject. Bary G., you too are a coward if you don't agree.
This is about conviction. Elbro has proven that he/it will not make a stand. I am proven right. He's a coward.
Bary G., why do we take time? You've got a great deal to answer for if you don't think the American culture is worth fighting for. Do you think it's worth fighting for?
And what's Elbro's options? Can he ban me? If he does, he proves, once and for all, that he is a hypocrite, a coward, and one who does not believe in the basic prinicples of the West.
You asked for it Elbro.
You are a relativist. You change your position based on who's watching. You look for the "lord" in your peers. How disturbing. You are a wretch; you fail to demonstrate the American independence. You are a slave of groupthink.
You fail at being an honest citizen. You deflect; you insult.
You, dear, are the enemy of the nation. You support untruth. You defend dishonesty. You are not ethical. You I fear for the generations to follow.
You are the enemy. You are here among us, but you seek to degrade the American way.
You are the enemy of America. American thought is based on rationality. You are to be feared.
You are the enemy of America. I feel sorry for you, Elbro.
My question is this: Why do you so hate the American way?
(talk about a charged question, but you demonstrate that you do hate the processes of Western thought, upon which the American way is founded)
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 06:32 PM — (Reply)
Nay, Cate. The modern military deserves all honors. It's that simple. They defend us. We owe them everything: our religion, our happiness, our economy.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 06:35 PM — (Reply)
The question is do Americans tend to praise dead soldiers while showing disdain for those presently in uniform. The greater question is: Is there a cutural movement afoot to undermine support for the military?
If you are looking for people who don't care, I suggest you start with those who believe that America is the fountain of worldwide ills. Look for those who think America is the culmination of oppressive ideals rather than the sometimes flawed but nevertheless noble march toward freedom.
BTW, I didn't suggest you were saying anything - I am simply asking questions to find out what you believe and where you stand. Your argument with EB reveals temperment but not ideology.
Comment by Cate— 2006/12/15 @ 08:18 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 09:52 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Ernie Els— 2006/12/15 @ 02:45 PM — (Reply)
And you prove my point, Cate. A fringe person (or group) cannot be used to represent a whole class.
That's the point. Phelps is a fool, but I could unethically use him to represent Evangelicals. It would be dishonest, but that is exactly what Elbro has done here.
Comment by Cataphract— 2006/12/14 @ 06:38 PM — (Reply)
If your main concern is that people aren't thinking for themselves and are following deceitful ideologues, then you ought to appreciate Phelps. He certainly stands alone in his personal philosophy.
While you may be able to prove that Ms. Maggi acted alone and without any connection to a larger herd of sheeplike anti-military Sheehan groupies (though evidence is not offered to either side of that argument in the report), this fails to explain San Francisco and the law school case. It fails to account for the Code Pinkers outside Walter Reid and the paid protesters who stand holding signs across from the Pentagon that bear degrading epithets aimed at our men in uniform. It doesn't explain John Kerry's comments over the years or the comments of liberal bloggers who defend him.
How do you explain them away?
Comment by Cate— 2006/12/15 @ 08:39 AM — (Reply)
When reasonably recovered, the narcissist usually leaves therapy before any work can be done on the underlying personality disorder.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 02:37 AM — (Reply)
I thought we were getting somewhere. The first thing one needs to do is admit one has a problem.
and now it's time you got treatment.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 02:40 AM — (Reply)
I'll leave you with the lyrics to a song.
So you ride yourselves over the fields and
you make all your animal deals and
you don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 02:50 AM — (Reply)
I care about America I just don't care if I answer you.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 02:54 AM — (Reply)
Oh no...Cataract insulted me....
you fail at being a gentlemen
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 02:57 AM — (Reply)
silence is a potent weapon...refer to lesson 4
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 04:23 AM — (Reply)
Elmers Brother: objection your honor...argumentative and irrelevent I've never seeked to change Cataract's mind, agreement is not what I seek only civility. In the course of our discussion your worship Cataract has pretended to seek clarity while trying to b*tchslap the witness. We all know (at least according to some) that torture does not work. Cataract has attempted a modified form of waterboarding and in the process has blown a gasket.
Your honor Catajerk suffers from a messiah complex.
He believes there is too much vile partisanship and has come to save the witness.
Judge: I hold Cataract in contempt.
Elmers Brother: Your honor...we all do.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 04:37 AM — (Reply)
Judge: I can see you are also recommending a course from Emily Post and counseling for narcissistic personality disorder.
Elmers Brother: It's the humane thing to do your eminence.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/12/15 @ 04:42 AM — (Reply)