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1. congrats fudd and by the way steelers suck

   Comment by MOS— 2006/08/21 @ 08:37 AM — (Reply)

2. oh, and also by the way can you tell me how a plane with a wingspan of over 100ft. can leave a 14ft wide hole in the pentagon.dude it wasn't a plane.i would think a u.s. made rocket did that.oh, sorry i forgot were supposed to be brain washed

   Comment by MOS— 2006/08/21 @ 08:41 AM — (Reply)

3. Thanks MOS have one on me!

   Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/21 @ 08:54 AM — (Reply)

4. When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.
   
   Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns.
   
   I'll wait for Dugg to comment but wish to stick to the subject of my anniversary.
   

   Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/21 @ 09:08 AM — (Reply)

5. ASCE-THE TOMMY FLANAGAN OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATIONS

   Comment by MOS— 2006/08/22 @ 11:09 AM — (Reply)

6. There is a new book MOS that you and Dugg may want to take a look at.
   
   Here's the introduction to whet your whistle.
   
   The first conspiracy theories about 9/11 began to emerge while the wreckage was still smoldering. As evidence accumulated that conclusively linked the hijackings to Al Qaeda, some self-proclaimed skeptics searched for alternative explanations. Many seemed driven to find a way to blame the United States for somehow abetting, or even orchestrating, the tragedy.
   
   In the years since the attacks, these assertions have grown progressively more lurid and pervasive. If you search the phrase “9/11 conspiracy” on the Internet, you will discover more than 800,000 Web pages. A few skeptics make a responsible effort to sift through the mountain of available information, but a vast majority ignore all but a few stray details they think support their theories. In fact, many conspiracy advocates demonstrate a double standard. They distrust the mainstream media coverage and government sponsored investigations of 9/11, yet they cherry-pick from those same sources to promote their extreme notions: that the hijacked planes weren’t commercial jets, but military aircraft, cruise missiles, or remote-control drones; that the World Trade Center buildings were professionally demolished; that American air defenses were deliberately shut down; and more.
   
   Increasingly, such beliefs are migrating from the fringes and into the mainstream. French author Thierry Meyssan’s The Big Lie, which argues that the U.S. military used one of its own guided missiles to attack the Pentagon, was a bestseller in France, and his claims have been widely repeated in European and Middle Eastern media. When Iran’s president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wrote to President George W. Bush in May 2006, his rambling missive included broad hints that the American government was involved in organizing the attacks. Allegations of American complicity in 9/11 have become standard fare on talk radio, and among both radical left- and radical right-wing groups. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, a Democrat from Georgia, has held a Capitol Hill hearing on the topic. Celebrities have gotten into the act as well. “Why did Bush knock down the towers?” rapper Jadakiss asked in his 2004 hit “Why?” And, in an interview with conspiracy-oriented talk-show host Alex Jones, actor Charlie Sheen embraced a variety of popular conspiracy theories.
   
   “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion,” Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York was fond of saying. “He is not entitled to his own facts.” Sooner or later, even the wildest 9/11 theories rely on factual claims. And facts can be checked.
   
   Popular Mechanics became involved in investigating 9/11 conspiracy theories in the fall of 2004, after an advertisement ran in the New York Times for the book Painful Questions by Eric Hufschmid, demanding that the 9/11 investigation be reopened. Hufschmid’s book includes a number of tangible claims regarding 9/11. It states, for example, that because jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel, the fires in the World Trade Center towers could not have caused their collapse. And it claims ample evidence exists to show that demolition-style explosives were prepositioned in the buildings.
   
   As editors of a magazine devoted to science and technology, we saw these claims as significant. Was there hard evidence to support them? And, if so, what would be the implications for our understanding of 9/11? At the very least, we thought, someone should look into these allegations. If there were even a hint of truth to these or similar claims, then the conspiracy theorists had a point: There should be a deeper investigation.
   
   The magazine assembled a team of reporters and researchers and methodically began to analyze the most common factual claims made by conspiracy theorists--assertions that are at the root of the majority of 9/11 alternative scenarios. We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses, and members of the investigative teams--more than 300 sources in all. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs, and transcripts. The results of our research appeared in the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics. That cover story, “9/11: Debunking the Myths,” provoked a strong reaction on the internet and in the mainstream media. The online version of the article remains the most frequently read story on www.popularmechanics.com and has been printed out more than 850,000 times.
   
   In the months after we published the investigation, many readers--both critics and supporters--wrote to suggest other evidence they thought we had overlooked or to raise new claims they believed worthy of investigation. At the same time, many of the inaccurate claims the magazine investigated continued to appear uncorrected in popular settings, such as Wikipedia, the open-source online encyclopedia, and Loose Change, the 9/11 conspiracy documentary that has become a sensation on college campuses. With the fifth anniversary of 9/11 approaching, we decided to extend our original investigation and publish a book-length version of our findings. We expanded our team of reporters, reinterviewed experts and sources from our first investigation, and, as much as possible, addressed the additional questions raised by both critics and supporters.
   
   The goal of this book is not to tell the complete story of what happened on September 11, 2001. There are numerous excellent sources, including the 9/11 Commission’s report and the New York Times and other newspapers, that chronicle the attacks in painful detail. Instead, this book aims only to answer the questions raised by conspiracy theorists themselves. Strip away the political theorizing and logical leaps, and every conspiracy theory ultimately comes down to a small set of claims based on evidence that can be examined. These claims are the only points where the theorists’ elaborate conjectures make contact with the real world. Without these foundations, the theories crumble. In every case we examined, the key claims made by conspiracy theorists turned out to be mistaken, misinterpreted, or deliberately falsified.
   
   We understand that not all conspiracy theorists agree with all conspiracy theories. Some prominent theorists even claim that certain theories they deem less plausible have been “planted” in order to make the entire movement look ridiculous. We don’t take sides in these debates. We simply checked the facts.
   
   The work of comprehending the events of 9/11 is not finished. It is vital to understand exactly what went wrong that day and to make sure it does not happen again. There were lapses and shortcomings on the part of government agencies in the months and years leading up to 9/11. Every American wishes our government had been more alert and better prepared. And every American is entitled to ask hard questions. But there is a world of difference between believing that our government should have known what was coming and claiming that someone did know and deliberately did nothing--or, even worse, actively perpetrated attacks on its own citizens. By deliberately blurring that line, conspiracy theorists exploit and misdirect the public’s legitimate anger over the events of that day.
   
   Some argue that alternative 9/11 scenarios are valuable in that they promote skepticism of a government that has not always been as open as many would like. But a climate of poisonous suspicion will not help America adjust to the post-9/11 world. And the search for truth is not aided by the dissemination of falsehoods. --David Dunbar and Brad Reagan
   
   

   Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/21 @ 09:18 AM — (Reply)

7. DAMN GOOD EB !!!

   Comment by aza spade— 2006/08/21 @ 10:29 AM — (Reply)

8. The people who are covering up their crimes say it was a 75 ft hole and that anybody who's eyes see the truth are crazy.
   That's like asking Clintoon if he fooled around with that woman, Mrs. Lewdinski.
   
   
   Nice family.

   Comment by Dugg— 2006/08/21 @ 11:04 AM — (Reply)

9. Thanks Dugg. Over 300 experts from universities and other instituions are covering up for the crimes?

   Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/21 @ 11:16 AM — (Reply)

10. What? Like there's not 300 people who say otherwise? Maybe these people want to keep their jobs/or honestly have been fooled into believing a lie/or want to help push an agenda.
    Scholars for 911 Truth has some pretty bright engineers, scientist, politicians and experts who think the official story is a ridiculous insult to our intelligence.

    Comment by Dugg— 2006/08/21 @ 12:09 PM — (Reply)

11. how about your conspiracy brothers being a tool for the angry left or the powerful and rich Muslims from Saudi Arabia?

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/24 @ 07:03 PM — (Reply)

12. Whatever you say Dugg.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/21 @ 12:23 PM — (Reply)

13. Looks like fun was had by all! What's with these people? This is about family, not 9-11! sheesh! Your sister is cute, probably get inquiries into her "status"!
    
    tmw
    square

    Comment by the merry widow— 2006/08/21 @ 12:26 PM — (Reply)

14. She's happily married with two children - one of which is my godson. She's one of my best friends. I call her Elmer cuz she's the one we all talk to when we need a sounding board, so she's like the glue.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/21 @ 12:38 PM — (Reply)

15. It's official, you 'da man........and not just because you're wearing a Steelers hat! ;-)

    Comment by Joe Gringo— 2006/08/21 @ 01:04 PM — (Reply)

16. Well it looks like a very nice family! You are blessed!
    
    tmw

    Comment by the merry widow— 2006/08/21 @ 01:09 PM — (Reply)

17. 21 years - that's awesome! You have a beautiful family, EB. What a blessed man you are. (And a good man, too, I have no doubt.) My best wishes to the two of you - may you still be dancing at your 75th anniversary!

    Comment by Cate— 2006/08/21 @ 02:14 PM — (Reply)

18. Beautiful family, EB!
    
    My wife and I renewed our vows in church on our 25th wedding anniversary

    Comment by Warren— 2006/08/21 @ 02:18 PM — (Reply)

19. Thanks Cate and good onya Warren!

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/21 @ 02:38 PM — (Reply)

20. Congrats buddy. It looks like everyone was happy and had a great time. Next time, add in some dancing video.
    
    Gee whiz Dugg and Mos....can you give the loose change stuff a rest on at least ONE post about a completely different subject. Double them up somewhere else or something.

    Comment by Barry G.— 2006/08/21 @ 02:47 PM — (Reply)

21. When Elmer posts the intro to a book and tells me I should read it I figured he wanted a reply.

    Comment by Dugg— 2006/08/22 @ 03:20 AM — (Reply)

22. We're cool Dugg, MOS started it.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/22 @ 04:40 AM — (Reply)

23. WHAT ARE YOU CRYING.IT'S CALLED FRIENDLY BANTER.I HOPE I HAVEN'T HURT YOUR FEELINGS.NEW NAME FOR FUDD.DOUG AND HIS WIFE WENDY

    Comment by MOS— 2006/08/22 @ 10:49 AM — (Reply)

24. 

    Comment by MOS— 2006/08/22 @ 10:50 AM — (Reply)

25. BUT, SERIOUSLY FUDD[DOUG} CONGRATS.HOW MANY GLORIOUS YEARS.I SEE POLITICIANS IN YOUR LEECHES

    Comment by MOS— 2006/08/22 @ 10:52 AM — (Reply)

26. Not crying or whining MOS just sayin'.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/22 @ 07:08 PM — (Reply)

27. So, EB, you're a dancing fool, huh?
    
    Anniversary celebrations are the best kind of party because we celebrate the Lord's plan of "the two shall become as one."

    Comment by Always On Watch— 2006/08/21 @ 03:16 PM — (Reply)

28. barry - you got it pal
    
    aow - the Lord's plan is beautiful and I am a fool for my wife I used to slam dance

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/21 @ 03:38 PM — (Reply)

29. Many happy returns Elbro!
    Congratulations.
    You both look terrific.
    
    PS.
    Good Gawd where do you get these rude loonies from?

    Comment by MissingLink— 2006/08/21 @ 04:03 PM — (Reply)

30. ml - thanks now all I have to do is figure out who that is in the picture with my wife
    
    dugg is a decent guy
    I am still getting to know MOS

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/21 @ 05:41 PM — (Reply)

31. Well, you'd probably like him if he's wearing a Steelers cap!
    Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!
    
    tmw
    squeal

    Comment by the merry widow— 2006/08/22 @ 12:14 AM — (Reply)

32. YOUR RIGHT GUYS I'LL GIVE IT A REST

    Comment by MOS— 2006/08/22 @ 07:06 AM — (Reply)

33. Didn't know you were such a romantic type of guy.
    Your sister is pretty hot.

    Comment by American Crusader— 2006/08/22 @ 07:11 AM — (Reply)

34. Stop wasting time..people like MOS aren't interested in the facts.

    Comment by American Crusader— 2006/08/22 @ 07:13 AM — (Reply)

35. SEEMS LIKE THEM THREE WHERE DISAPPOINTED IN A LITTLE SOMETHING

    Comment by MOS— 2006/08/22 @ 10:45 AM — (Reply)

36. YOUR ASS HAS NO CLUE WHAT THE FACTS ARE YOU SENSELESS LITTLE TWIT.DUDE JUST DECLARE WAR.MAKE ME HAPPY

    Comment by MOS— 2006/08/22 @ 10:57 AM — (Reply)

37. I added all three of my marriages and it comes to just under 10 years total. Instead of renewing vows, I keep renewing divorce proceedings.
    So what's up with your sister?
    lol

    Comment by American Crusader— 2006/08/22 @ 07:17 AM — (Reply)

38. 3 divorces? Go figure.

    Comment by Dugg— 2006/08/22 @ 07:44 AM — (Reply)

39. MAN, DIVORCED THREE TIMES.WHAT HAPPENED LITTLE PIMP ACTION

    Comment by MOS— 2006/08/22 @ 10:58 AM — (Reply)

40. Awww, EB! That is SO VERY ROMANTIC!!!
    
    Happy annie to you and your wife! She is as lovely at the renewal as in her wedding pic!
    
    Considering the high divorce rates nowadays, you're setting one heck of an example for those kids!

    Comment by Brooke— 2006/08/22 @ 03:15 PM — (Reply)

41. Gee whiz Mos. This is a PG rated post. With 3 divorces the guy has gone through hell and is paying out the whazoooooo. A little empathy goes a long way.

    Comment by Barry G.— 2006/08/22 @ 04:17 PM — (Reply)

42. Many congrats EB! Lovely couple! And a lovely family BTW. I'm sure your wife appreciates the annual renewing of the vows. It's a breath of fresh air to know that there are still traditional couples out there who believe in the true sanctity of marriage. I must say I agree that the Steelers do suck though. They have a moron for a QB who thinks he's too "cool" to wear a helmet while biking.
    
    God Bless
    

    Comment by Florian Guerrero— 2006/08/22 @ 04:27 PM — (Reply)

43. florian, mos - last tim I checked teams that suck don't win super bowls
    
    ac - my sister is the coolest, the life of the party, that's why I named the blog after her

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/22 @ 04:46 PM — (Reply)

44. Coming from a guy with a "virtual girl", that doesn't hurt through much.

    Comment by American Crusader— 2006/08/23 @ 03:30 AM — (Reply)

45. Congrats, Mr. Elmers brother! Hope that you and yours are doing as well as it looks. Life out here is a little crazy some times, well, most of the time.
    
    Gee, maybe I should spend some time on the website again someday. Whaddya think?
    
    Saw Rich and Master Guns over the weekend and had dinnner. It was great to see them again. Master Guns has five weeks left in the corps. That's gotta be sureal after all he's seen.
    
    Stay in touch. :)
    
    joe

    Comment by Joe Talbot— 2006/08/24 @ 09:24 PM — (Reply)

46. Congrats, Mr. Elmers brother! Hope that you and yours are doing as well as it looks. Life out here is a little crazy some times, well, most of the time.
    
    Gee, maybe I should spend some time on the website again someday. Whaddya think?
    
    Saw Rich and Master Guns over the weekend and had dinnner. It was great to see them again. Master Guns has five weeks left in the corps. That's gotta be sureal after all he's seen.
    
    Stay in touch. :)
    
    joe

    Comment by Joe Talbot— 2006/08/24 @ 09:25 PM — (Reply)

47. JOE!!!! Good to hear from you. I am happy for Master Guns...that man is a hero. Is he having a ceremony or just fading away? Tell Rich and MG hello for me. I need to get your phone number.
    
    For my other friends MG has been wounded two or three times that I know...once in Kosovo and then in Iraq. He's quite the Marine and a wonderful guy.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/08/25 @ 05:43 AM — (Reply)

48. Enough party! Those girls finished the bunker yet EB?

    Comment by Gravelrash— 2006/08/27 @ 11:11 PM — (Reply)

49. Elmers bro we had a ton of fun at your party and you and my beautiful sister-in-law are a great example to not just your kids but many other people. The baptism was so touching, as his God parents we were so proud to be a part of watching him show everyone that he loves Jesus. Our hearts are so happy to know our family will be together forever. love you Elmer

    Comment by elmer— 2006/08/29 @ 04:25 PM — (Reply)

50. ELMER!!!! Thanks you know I think you are the best and thanks for sharing it with us.

    Comment by elmers brother— 2006/08/29 @ 08:04 PM — (Reply)

51. I am posting this for expreacherman who sent me this via email.
    
    EB,
    
    About your vows:
    
    Love, hug, hold and adore your wife. And tell her so over and over and over. You'll never regret it!! She'll never forget it.
    
    Four years ago my sweet wife of almost 49 years Fern and I were on an RV trip visiting our kids in TN. I had to put her in the hospital with a severe back-ache. We and the Docs didn't think she was seriously ill (at least they didn't tell us), so that evening, I left her in the hospital to go back to our RV to get some rest. Then I got "that call" from the hospital.. She was suddenly taken home to the Lord shortly after I had walked out of the hospital door. I did not get to hold her at that last moment.
    
    It was really tough.. but she had trusted Christ as her Savior and I knew she was with Him in Heaven, much better off than I. Even though I had been deathly sick a few months before, for some reason she told me that afternoon, "See, I knew the Lord was going to take me home first!" I argued with her and laughed... "NO! Never happen."
    
    See my tribute to Fern at http://weaverclan.com/fern.htm I wrote this three days after she went home to the Lord.
    
    But the Lord in His own Gracious way has provided me with a wonderful Christian lady, Shirley, whose Pastor husband had been taken home to Christ less than a month after my dear Fern. We were married some time ago and we absolutely marvel at our love for each other and God's love, provision and Grace for us...
    
    It is very important, EB, that you shower your sweet wife with your love and affection. You have no idea how it is to suddenly have your sweetheart taken from you. As Pastor, many times I would hold funerals for people in our church. I would say, "I understand, blah, blah, blah." But I DID NOT understand until it happened to me. Now I understand..
    
    Don't ever let anything come between you and your beautiful wife... and may the two of you live to be married a hundred years... The older you get the better it becomes in Christ..
    

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/09/09 @ 02:56 PM — (Reply)

52. EB, what an amazing family.
    what a wonderful husband you are! This gives me warm fuzzies.
    Elmer must be a super cool lady, too! God is good.
    I love happy families.
    

    Comment by Pinky— 2008/04/14 @ 04:50 PM — (Reply)

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