Shalana on the Bible
Hey Elmer, Bush said "God speaks through me", that's blasphemy.
What I think is so funny about you self-serving, Jesus Pimping Right-Wing Scum is that the only "life" you do care about in in the womb.
Nevermind that YOU have killed scores of Iraqi Babies in the commission of a crime (I say you because you voted for Bush in '04 while you knew he was a doer of evil. Soldiers have no choice but to fight where they're sent, you had a choice and you chose murder), but you have no problem with the death penalty either.
You're a baby killing murderer, Elmer. Face it.
You're probably going to rot in hell for being a Wolf in Lamb's clothing just like Robertson, Falwell, Asscroft and Bush. While those who practice kindness and The Peace and Love of Christ will watch your spiritual demise from safty.
People like you regularly condemn those who Christ shed his blood on the cross for, sinners. That's Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, you cannot be saved.
Hey Elmer, Bush said "God speaks through me", that's blasphemy. (you claim to be a Christian, has God never spoken to you through the Bible, through other people, your pastor...the Holy Spirit....I guess you don't read your Bible or attend Church very often etc. If your pastor cannot share something the Lord has laid on his heart has he blasphemed?)
What I think is so funny about you self-serving, Jesus Pimping Right-Wing Scum (she often uses the Bible to go on Bush hating diatribes, so who is Jesus pimping) is that the only "life" you do care about in in the womb. Nevermind that YOU have killed scores of Iraqi Babies in the commission of a crime (I say you because you voted for Bush in '04 while you knew he was a doer of evil. Soldiers have no choice but to fight where they're sent, you had a choice and you chose murder), but you have no problem with the death penalty either.
Somehow Shalana is clairvoyant and knows who I voted for. (The basic difference here is that she assumes I don't care by some reason of very twisted logic that if I voted for Bush I am a baby killer, sounds like Hanoi Jane ) Shalana I do care. One reason why there is a difference here is that abortion is intentional and the killing of innocent Iraqi civilians has never been the policy or the practice of the military. If you can't understand that basic principle than you really need to go back on your meds. Here's the biblical difference between murder and killing, and the death penalty since you brought it up.
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Consider the following very-well-known translation of Exodus 20:13 (from the famous Ten Commandments) presented in both the [Catholic] Douay-Rheims Version (Published AD 1610) and the [Protestant] King James Version (published AD 1611):
These two versions are cited here because, relative to the argument presented in this narrative, it may clearly be inferred that they have had a profound impact on Biblical thinking and understanding among the English-speaking public over the last four centuries (!) particularly as it applies to the moral implications underlying the concepts of murder and killing. (And be aware, of course, that this issue is certainly NOT unique to English translations of the Bible!)
Exodus 20:13
According to both the King James and
the Douay-Rheims Versions:
"Thou shalt not kill."
By contrast...
Many
later translations of the Bible (given the distinct advantage of
centuries of semantic hind-sight and linguistic research) tend to be
more precise in their rendering of the verb in question as "murder." viz.,
Hopefully,
the reader can discern, even without further discussion, a clear and
very important difference in meaning between these renderings. And it
should be pointed out emphatically, that lexicographers of Biblical
Hebrew routinely confirm that the latter, more granular rendition of
the Hebrew verb in question (רצח) is absolutely preferred and intended as "murder."
[ By way of further confirmation of this matter, it may be
pointed out here that the Greek Septuagint translators (over 2000 years
ago) understood the subtlties of this verse as well in that they too
translated the Hebrew verb in question with the corresponding Greek
verb for murder: ( foneuw )]
Thus, as can be seen here, due to early imprecise translation of the verb in question as "kill,"
many have, over the centuries, boldly (and incorrectly) espoused the
notion that killing a human being (or in extreme cases, killing any
living thing!) is categorically (and biblically) wrong. Such is not the
case however, for the following simple reason:
If this view is
to be taken, then one must deal with the glaring inconsistency which
results when one reads the clear Biblical injunction that murderers
themselves (for disobeying the very law being discussed) are to be put
to death. (Numbers 35:16-21)
Therefore, the more precise
translation indicated above puts a totally different light on this
matter and makes it clear to the reader that it is murder which
is categorically (and biblically) wrong, AND, according to divine
mandate, must be punished by execution (i.e., [sanctioned] killing)
under duly appointed civil authority. This, by the way, is why such
authority "bears the sword" - by divine decree - according to the
apostle Paul. (Romans 13:1-4; cf, Exodus 21:12,14)
Regarding this sensitive subject, it is necessary to bear in mind that
civil authority, duly appointed and not-so-duly-appointed, may (and
often does) pervert justice. AND it may (and often does) effect
miscarriages of justice by simple human error. This does NOT negate the
Bible's clear stand on this matter. Perversion of justice and judical
error (like murder, corruption and accidents) are human "choice"
problems - NOT biblical problems...
And to keep such judicial problems to a minimum...
God's ancient reminder to Israel (and, by extension, to the world at
large) regarding the appointment of unbiased and fair judges (and the
duty of such judges) is stated at
Deuteronomy 16:18,19 "Appoint
judges and officials for each of your tribes in every town the LORD
your God is giving you, and they shall judge the people fairly. Do not
pervert justice or show partiality. Do not accept a bribe, for a bribe
blinds the eyes of the wise and twists the words of the righteous." NIV ]
In view of the above, it becomes clear that if one is a staunch and
passionate opposer of capital punishment, then one must understand that
the rationale for this position is his own, and cannot accurately be
founded upon the misconstrued "scriptural" injunction, "Thou shalt not
kill."
Here is a Biblical view of capital punishment.
You're probably going to rot in hell for being a Wolf in Lamb's clothing just like Robertson, Falwell, Asscroft and Bush. While those who practice kindness and The Peace and Love of Christ will watch your spiritual demise from safty. People like you regularly condemn those who Christ shed his blood on the cross for, sinners
(Shalana needs to read the Bible because sinners would include all of us, by her logic that would mean the Bible would condemn everyone. So she is ignoring Romans 8:1
| [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. |
(Here she speaks for God and yet He must not talk to her as that would be blasphemy, see her earlier quote..)
Shalana clearly misunderstands the Bible here. Some commentators believe that this sin cannot be committed until you depart this earth. In other words ignoring God's revelation and dying in your sin.
What the Pharisees were doing was suppressing the evidence provided by the Spirit. They continued to do this. It was sin for them to do so. Jesus called this blasphemy of the Spirit. The Hebrew writer called it insulting the Spirit of Grace. One who continually suppresses the truth God sends will not receive saving grace. Thus, he can never be forgiven.
It is therefore very reasonable to say that if a Christian worries that he has blasphemed the Spirit, he probably hasn't. If you are such a person, and you are concerned about this issue, I encourage you to read and accept I John 1:7:
"…but
if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have
fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us
from all sin."
She then says to go here for spiritual truth
Attention all Conservoscum....
Here's another Blog you surely would enjoy. Lots of "cussing" and spiritual truth.
Comment by admin4— 2006/01/17 @ 10:26 AM
http://www.abloganation.blogspot.com
Thanks Shalana I think I'll stick to the Bible.
Shalana I am a Christian and I base this on these facts:
1. I am a sinner (Rom. 3:23)
2. Jesus took my place and I have believed that. (John 3:16) (Eph.2:8-9)
3. Because of what Jesus did, I will now spend eternity with Him. (I John 5)
I hope to see you in eternity.
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I can tell her what I think up front, and if I'm proven wrong, then so be it; to tell someone they're going to Hell 'cause you're mad at them is the worst kind of blasphemy.
Christ loves us all and only wants us to take him up on that love, and his gift of salvation.THAT is the most important message.
BTW, great post on the KJ mistranslation of kill vs murder!
Comment by C-Mom— 2006/01/17 @ 07:42 AM — (Reply)
There are groups who only use the KJV. I do not espouse that. The translation of the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic to English can be an interesting one. For e.g.
The English has one word translated as "love"
NT Greek has three.
agape - unconditional love, what God has for us
philios - brotherly (what Shalana has for us...hahaha)
eros - erotic
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/01/17 @ 07:54 AM — (Reply)
...and his gift of salvation. THAT is the most important message.
c-mom...you have summarized it very well.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/17 @ 02:45 PM — (Reply)
Good choice. I never met so many angry 'Christians' who used so many cuss words! I have a new site for you to look at, if you like. I just it: Loving God Anonymously. Sounds like you might like it, and you may be able to add something to it. Have a great day!
Comment by Rosemary— 2006/01/17 @ 10:55 PM — (Reply)
Thanks Rosemary.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/01/18 @ 04:34 AM — (Reply)
Somehow "your" Shalana sounds like quotations from the Quran.
Comment by Felis— 2006/01/18 @ 09:44 AM — (Reply)
She does sound a bit fascist.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/01/18 @ 06:27 PM — (Reply)
What you said is the essence of Christianity:
We need to live by "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Is Shalana doing that? I don't know. But her words don't seem to follow that particular commandment. "You cannot be saved" seems a dangerous statement to me.
Comment by Always On Watch— 2006/01/19 @ 02:26 PM — (Reply)
Comment by A Conservative Realist— 2006/01/19 @ 02:39 PM — (Reply)
AOW,
Not only dangerous, but contradictory to the idea that talking to God is blasphemous because God would have to reveal that to her.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/19 @ 02:43 PM — (Reply)