Religion of Peace Roundup - Week of Dec 31st
Clarity and Resolve - The Palestinians are killing each other.
Always on Watch - (must read) posts on the Fifth annual conference of the Palestine Solidarity Movement being held at Georgetown University.
American Crusader - Islam and free speech.
Liberty and Culture - Islam in Summary
Is Islam our Future? This is quite a read, but well worth it. The answer may surprise you.
Atlas Shrugs - A suicide bomber whose intended target was a childrens Hannakuh party.
Little Green Footballs - Let the dhimmitude begin! Hamas plans on instituting the jizya tax on Christians living in Bethlehem.
Deeper Look - Jordanian commnados are being dispatched to help fight the terrorists in Iraq.
Democracy Frontline - the recent bombing in Indonesia.
Jihad in Arkansas?
Mohammed's mental health.
Bangladesh government is helping the jihadists.
Al Queda link to French rioting.
Always on Watch - (must read) posts on the Fifth annual conference of the Palestine Solidarity Movement being held at Georgetown University.
American Crusader - Islam and free speech.
Liberty and Culture - Islam in Summary
Is Islam our Future? This is quite a read, but well worth it. The answer may surprise you.
Atlas Shrugs - A suicide bomber whose intended target was a childrens Hannakuh party.
Little Green Footballs - Let the dhimmitude begin! Hamas plans on instituting the jizya tax on Christians living in Bethlehem.
- jizya (Arabic): This is the poll tribute tax that infidels must pay for being allowed to live in the Islamic state (such infidels are called dhimmis*). It is often paid in a humiliating manner, with the Jew or Christian being made to enter the tax collector's office with eyes to the ground, and then being struck in the face or on the back of the neck while paying.
Fight against those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe in neither God nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. —Qur'an 9:29
Deeper Look - Jordanian commnados are being dispatched to help fight the terrorists in Iraq.
Democracy Frontline - the recent bombing in Indonesia.
Jihad in Arkansas?
Mohammed's mental health.
Bangladesh government is helping the jihadists.
Al Queda link to French rioting.
Picture of the Week - Stoning of Woman in Iran accused of Adultery
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Comment by A Conservative Realist— 2006/01/01 @ 05:54 PM — (Reply)
they don't even think there is a war on
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/01/01 @ 06:36 PM — (Reply)
EB,
Sort of pursuant to the article on MTP's mental health...
From this source:
ISLAM Is the BEAST
There are supposed to be 6616 verses in the Koran. I haven’t counted them, but this boast is somewhat reminiscent of the supposed number of the beast as being six, six, and six.
The hardened lump on many fanatical Muslims heads is the mark of the beast.
You can see the bump on this bin Laden deputy’s forehead from frequent banging of head.
Also mentioned in the Bible are the “man of sin,” the false prophet, and the synagogue of Satan. These are Muhammad and his mosques. Below is a picture of the man of sin.
Yes, the old Babylonian moon goddess, the enemy of God also known as Baal, looks remarkably like bin Laden, and the moon symbol is also that of Islam.
Now, the test of a true prophet, according to the Bible, is that a prophet makes predictions that come true. Muhammad is often called a prophet, but in fact did not make any true predictions. For example, he thought he was going to win the battle of Uhud, but was defeated and had to flee for his life.
His own followers were concerned that Muhammad was unable to do any miracles. They pleaded for some such proof in Suras 17:90-93 and 13:7 that he is indeed divinely ordained, but he tells them he is a mortal plain warner for Allah, though he does manage to tell the Muslims that they are all going to hell in Sura 19:71.
Muhammad is the false prophet alluded to, in the New Testament of the Bible. The synagogue of Satan is the mosque. Mosques were modeled on synagogues, and added the horns of the moon and beast, and much later added minarets.
Another ‘beastly’ act of Muhammad occurred when he was 53 years old He began sleeping with a young girl. We call such people “pederasts” and put them in jail today.
People with experience in Muslim lands will tell you that whilst homosexuality is banned by Islam, pederasts are quite prevalent in Islamic countries where children are taught to worship and obey their mullahs.
Homosexual men are not allowed, but youths are treated as sexual playthings and are promised in paradise.
(Quran 52:24) Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.
Also in Surah 76:19 Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men.
And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls.
Think about the parallels between Islamism and satanic practice.
Human sacrifice. Seen in suicide and other bombings all around the world. Killing yourself or
others is only glorified in Islam.
They worship death. They elevate martyrdom above those who enjoy life.
The parallels with the old moon religion of Baal are derived from worship of the lesser light (the moon), the lesser power that seeks to supplant the true God.
They bow towards the black stone in the Kaaba in Mecca. Black stones were revered in ancient Arabia because they were thought to have fallen from the moon, which is clearly dark sometimes.
Bowing towards any object is satanic and similar to idol worship.
Night time celebrations such as Ramadan when the day’s fast is broken.
Chanting. The repetitions in the mosque and the madrassas are not prayers. They are repetitive chants.
The horns of the beast are proudly displayed on mosques as the horns of the moon.
Obsessive rituals. Such as the power of words and saying ‘peace be upon him’ whenever they mention their prophet’s name.
The mark on the forehead from excessive prostration. Worn as a badge of honour in some places. It seems popular in Egypt. It is the “mark of the beast.”
And finally, the counterclockwise circling that is beloved of witches and satanists.
The Muslims circle the Kaaba seven times as part of their RITUALS.
They circle it COUNTERCLOCKWISE.
Comment by Always On Watch— 2006/01/02 @ 12:57 AM — (Reply)
Comment by C-Mom— 2006/01/02 @ 04:42 AM — (Reply)
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/02 @ 07:33 AM — (Reply)
That’s not right and if you want to read about Islam do some search on the internet from deferent web site and you will know it. Sorry, however I think that you hate Islam or you’re a small boy how doesn’t know even about his religion
Check this website
islamtoday.com
Bye
Comment by m3rof— 2006/01/27 @ 10:42 AM — (Reply)
All I have to do is watch the news.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/01/27 @ 11:06 AM — (Reply)
I don't hate anyone, I do however hate the behavior of the so called religion of peace. I probably know more about your religion and your allah than you do.
Read all of Revelation 21, it is a marvelous chapter.
Indeed God is a God who seeks after us, who comes down to be near us. He reveals his character, his heart and his desire to establish a loving relationship with his creation. Will you be part of his people that are mentioned in Revelation 21:3? That is the topic of the Bible, it reveals God to you so that you can respond to him and become part of his people.
In contrast, the Qur'an portrays God as one who is "far", who is transcendent only. As a Muslim theologian has said, "God reveals only his will, not himself
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/01/27 @ 11:14 AM — (Reply)
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Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/27 @ 07:27 PM — (Reply)
m3rof - prior to 9/11 I would have attempted to post a detailed defence of the statements made above, which you object to. I would have defended every accusation and would have tried to mount a solid, logical rebuttal of Islam. I would have leapt to Elmers defence with verses, quotes and references ad infinitum.
These days, I don't bother, because I have made a 5 year study of the Koran. I know Elmers Bro has also made it his business to learn all he can concerning Islam, as have most of the posters here and at other sites. The result of this study is manifold, having effects in surprising areas. One of which is the realisation that WE know the Koran better than 95% of the Islamic peoples. WE have found it necessary to learn the source of our enemies hate.And we HAVE learned much!!!
You see, YOUR SAVAGE JIHADI BROTHERS have been far more successful than they could ever have imagined. Islam is on everyones lips now! We are ALL AWARE of Islam now!!! The sight of airplanes slamming into the WTC has had a galvanising effect on ALL Westerners, to some degree. When you venture into blog-land, therefore, you are entering the domain of westerners who have gone just that little bit further and are attempting to educate OTHER WESTERNERS about the evils of Islam. Our main aim is NOT to educate you, but OUR brothers and sisters.
You suggest we should read sites such as islamtoday.com
Why would we bother? It, and so many other 'contemporary Islamic sites' are just tools for reinforcing the age old domination of mans spirit and spirituality. They suppress truth and freedom and demean humanity. Don't imagine we have not looked for ourselves and can verify that assertion.
Typical information at islamtoday.com???- When is it ok to have sex?, how clean am I after urinating?, when is it REALLY the right hour to pray?, When is it permissible to beat my wife? Yes m3rof, I have seen things of such life-altering importance there!! What possible use is this? How does this help lead Islam into the 21st Century? Advice on how to deal with a menstruating woman is useful inside a family, I suppose, but it is hardly going to change the culture of primitivity you all inhabit. IN fact, it only reinforces the idea that women are inferior and problematic.
Islam is suffering from a credibility gap of such staggering proportions, most sane people consider it unbridgeable. Islam has an URGENT need to enter into serious debate within its own self, to modify and reform itself and its disgusting excesses.
It is futile for people such as yourself to maintain that Islam has benefits to offer mankind, when we can see for ourselves the appaling conditions Islam imposses on it's own peoples, and the outrageous carnage it perpetrates against those who reject it.
You can shout and scream as long as you like - "Islam is a religion of peace, you do not understand" - and we will watch yet another newscast that proves we are right to hold you in contempt and in distrust.
Reform yourself and your religion, then we may have some dialogue. Till then, you are all pariahs.
Comment by Gravelrash— 2006/01/27 @ 08:01 PM — (Reply)
ISLAM AND MUSLIM
The name of this religion is Islam, the root of which is Silm and Salam which means peace. Salam may also mean greeting one another with peace. One of the beautiful names of God is that He is the Peace. It means more than that: submission to the One God, and to live in peace with the Creator, within one's self, with other people and with the environment. Thus, Islam is a total system of living. A Muslim is supposed to live in peace and harmony with all these segments; hence, a Muslim is any person anywhere in the world whose obedience, allegiance, and loyalty are to God , the Lord of the Universe.
MUSLIMS AND ARAB
The followers of Islam are called Muslims. Muslims are not to be confused with Arabs. Muslims may be Arabs, Turks, Persians, Indians, Pakistanis, Malaysians, Indonesians, Europeans, Africans, Americans, Chinese, or other nationalities.
An Arab could be a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew or an atheist. Any person who adopts the Arabic language is called an Arab. However, the language of the Qur'an (the Holy Book of Islam) is Arabic. Muslims all over the world try to learn Arabic so that they may be able to read the Qur'an and understand its meaning. They pray in the language of the Qur'an, namely Arabic. Supplications to God could be in any language.
While there are more than one billion Muslims in the world there are about 200 million Arabs. Among them, approximately ten percent are not Muslims. Thus Arab Muslims constitute only about twenty percent of the Muslim population of the world.
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ALLAH THE ONE AND THE ONLY GOD
Muslims believe that Allah is the name of the One and Only God. He is the Creator of all human beings. He is the God for the Christians, the Jews, the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the atheists, and others. Muslims worship God whose name is Allah. They put their trust in Him and they seek His help and His guidance.
MUHAMMAD
Muhammad was chosen by God to deliver His Message of Peace, namely Islam. He was born in 570 C.E. (Common Era) in Makkah, Arabia. He was entrusted with the Message of Islam when he was at the age of forty years. The revelation that he received is called the Qur'an, while the message is called Islam.
Muhammad is the very last Prophet of God ( Allah ) to mankind. He is the final Messenger of God. His message was and is still to the Christians, the Jews and the rest of mankind. He was sent to those religious people to inform them about the true mission of Jesus, Moses, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham.
Muhammad is considered to be the summation and the culmination of all the prophets and messengers that came before him. He purified the previous messages from adulteration and completed the Message of God ( Allah ) for all humanity. He was entrusted with the power of explaining, interpreting and living the teaching of the Qur'an.
NON-MUSLIMS
Muslims are required to respect all those who are faithful and God conscious people, namely those who received messages. Christians and Jews are called People of the Book. Muslims are asked to call upon the People of the Book for common terms, namely, to worship One God, and to work together for the solutions of the many problems in the society.
Christians and Jews lived peacefully with Muslims throughout centuries in the Middle East and other Asian and African countries. The second Caliph Umar, did not pray in the church in Jerusalem so as not to give the Muslims an excuse to take it over. Christians entrusted the Muslims, and as such the key of the Church in Jerusalem is still in the hands of the Muslims.
Jews fled from Spain during the Inquisition, and they were welcomed by the Muslims. They settled in the heart of the Islamic Caliphate. They enjoyed positions of power and authority.
Throughout the Muslim world, churches, synagogues and missionary schools were built within the Muslim neighborhoods. These places were protected by Muslims even during the contemporary crises in the Middle East
Comment by Manal Rateb — 2006/01/30 @ 09:49 PM — (Reply)
WHAT IS ISLAM
Can we find an explanation of the great universe? Is there any convincing interpretation of the secret of existence? We realize that no family can function properly without a responsible head, that no city can prosperously exist without sound administration, and that no state can survive without a leader of some kind. We also realize that nothing comes into being on its own. Moreover, we observe that the universe exists and functions in the most orderly manner, and that it has survived for hundreds of thousand of years. Can we then say that all this is accidental and haphazard? Can we attribute the existence of man and the whole world to mere chance.
Man represents only a very small portion of the great universe. And if he can make plans and appreciate the merits of planning, then his own existence and the survival of the universe must also be a planned policy. This means that there is an extraordinary power to bring things into being and keep them moving in order.
In the world then must be a great force in action to keep everything in order. In the beautiful nature there must be a Great creator who creates the most charming pieces of art produces every thing for a special purpose in life. The deeply enlightened people recognize this creator and call him Allah "God". He is not a man because no man can create or make another man. He is not an animal, nor he is a plant. He is neither an Idol nor is He a statue of any kind because non of these things can make itself or create anything else. He is different from all these things because he is the maker and keeper of them all. The maker of anything must be different from and greater than things which he makes.
There are various ways to know God "ALLAH'' and there are many things to tell about him. The great wonders and impressive marvels of the world are like open books in which we can read about God. Besides, God Himself comes to our aid through the many Messengers and revelations He has sent down to man. These Messengers and revelations tell us everything we need to know about God.
The complete acceptance of the teachings and guidance of God 'Allah' as revealed to His Messengers Muhammad is the religion of Islam. Islam enjoins faith in the oneness and sovereignty of Allah, which makes man aware of meaningfulness of the Universe and of his place in it. This belief frees him from all fears and superstitions by making him conscious of the presence of the Almighty Allah and of man's obligations towards Him. This faith must be expressed and tested in actions, faith alone is not enough. Belief in one God requires that we look upon all humanity as one family under the universal Omnipotence of God the Creator and Nourisher of all. Islam rejects the idea of chosen people, making belief in God and good actions the only way to heaven. Thus, a direct relationship in established with God, without any intercessor.
Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and guidance which Allah revealed to all Prophets. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, David, Moses and Jesus (PBUT). But the message which was revealed to Prophet Mohammed (PBUT) is Islam in its comprehensive, complete and final form.
The Quran is the last revealed word of Allah and the basic source of Islamic teachings and laws. The Quran deals with the basis of creeds, morality, history of humanity, worship, knowledge, wisdom, God-man relationship, and human relationship in all aspects. Comprehensive teaching on which, can be built sound systems of social justice, economics, politics, legislation, jurisprudence, law and international relations, are important contents of the Quran. Hadith, the teachings, sayings and actions of Prophet Mohammed (PBUT), meticulously reported and collected by his devoted companions. Explained and elaborated the Quranic verses.
THE FUNDAMENTAL ARTICLES OF FAITH IN ISLAM
The true faithful Muslim believes in the following Principal articles of faith:-
He believes in One God 'Allah', Supreme and Eternal, Infinite and Mighty, Merciful and Compassionate, Creator and Provider.
He believes in all Messengers of God without any discrimination among them. Every known nation had a warner or Messenger from God. They were chosen by God to teach mankind and deliver His divine message. The Quran mentions the name of twenty five of them. Among them Mohammad stands as the last Messenger and the crowning glory of the foundation of Prophethood.
Muslin believes in all scriptures and revelations of God. They were the guiding light which the Messengers received to show their respected peoples the Right Path of God. In the Quran a special reference is made to the books of Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. But long before the revelations has been lost or corrupted. The only authentic and complete book of God in existence in the Quran.
The true Muslim believes in the Angels of Allah. They are purely spiritual and splendid beings whose nature requires on food, drink or sleep. They spend their days and nights in the worship of God.
Muslim believes in the last Day of Judgement. This world will come to an end someday, and the dead will rise to stand for their final and fair trial. People with good records will be generously, rewarded and warmly welcomed to the Heaven of Allah, and those with bad records will be punished and cast into Hell.
Muslim believes in the timeless knowledge of God and His power to plan and execute His planes and nothing could happen in His Kingdom against His will. His knowledge and power are in action at all times and command over His creation. He is wise and merciful, and whatever He does must have a meaningful purpose. If this is established in our mind and hearts, we should accept with good faith all that He does, although we may fail to under stand it fully, or think it is bad.
THE FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM
Faith without actions arid practice is a dead end, as far as Islam is concerned. Faith by nature is very sensitive and can be most effective. When it is not out of practice or out of use, it quickly loses its liveliness and motivation power.
There are five pillars of Islam:
The declaration of faith: To bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, and that Mohammad (PBUH) is His Messenger to all human beings till the Day of Judgment. The Prophethood of Mohammad obliges the Muslims to follow, His exemplary life as a model.
Prayers: Daily, prayers are offered five times a day as a duty towards Allah. They strengthen and enliven the belief in Allah and inspire man to a higher morality. They purify the heart and prevent temptation towards wrong - doings and evil.
Fasting the month of Ramadan. The Muslims during the month of Ramadan not only abstain from food, drink and sexual intercourse from dawn to sunset but also sincerity and devotion. It develops a sound social conscience, patience, unselfishness and will - Power.
Zakkah: The literal and simple meaning of Zakkah is purity. The technical meaning of this word designates the annual amount in kind or coin which a Muslim with means must distribute among the rightful beneficiaries. But the religious and spiritual significance of Zakkah is much deeper and more lively. So it has humanitarian and sociopolitical values.
Hajj (Pilgrimage to Makkah): It is to be performed once in a lifetime, if one can afford it financially and physically.
Comment by abo— 2006/01/30 @ 10:00 PM — (Reply)
JESUS in the QURAN
The Islamic view of Jesus lies between two extremes. The Jews , who rejected Jesus as a Prophet of God, called him an impostor. The Christians, on the other hand, considered him to be the son of God and worship him as such. Islam considers Jesus to be one of the great prophets of God and respects him as much as Ibrahim (Abraham), Moses, and Mohammed. (Peace Be Upon Them) This is conformity with the Islamic view of the oneness of God, the oneness of Divine guidance, and the complementary role of the subsequent mission of God's messengers.
The essence of Islam - willing submission to the will of God - was revealed to Adam, who was passed it on to his children. All following revelations to Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, and finally Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Them) were conformity with that message, with some elaboration to define the revelation between man and God, man and man, man and instructions. Thus, any contradictions among revealed religions is viewed by Islam as a man-made element introduced into these religions. The position of Jesus in the three major religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - should not be an exception.
Although the Quran does not present a detailed life-story of Jesus, it highlights the important aspects of his birth, his mission, his ascension to heaven, and passes judgements on the Christian beliefs concerning him. The Quranic account of Jesus starts with the conception of his mother, Mary, whose mother, the wife of Imran, vowed to dedicate her child to the service of God in the temple. When Mary became a woman, the Holy Spirit (the Archangel Gabriel) appeared to her as a man bringing her news of a son. We read the following dialogue in the Quran between Mary and the Angel:
"When the angel said, "Mary, god gives you a good tidings of a Word from Him whose name is messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, -high honoured shall he be in this world and the next, near stationed to God. He shall speak to men in the cradle, and of age, and righteous he shall be, "lord" said Mary "How shall I have a son, seeing no mortal has touched me? "Even so, he said "God creates what He will".
When he decrees a thing He but say to it, "Be", and it is. (Al-Imran 3:45-47)
In a chapter (Surah) entitled "Maryam" (Mary), the Quran tells us how Mary gave birth to her son, and how the Jesus accused her when she brought the child home:
"Then she brought the child to her folk, carrying him, and they said, "Mary, you have surely committed a monstrous thing. Sister of Aaron, your father was not a wicked man, nor your mother a woman unchaste. Mary pointed to the child; but they said, 'Hoe shall we speak to one who still in the cradle, a little child. And he said, 'Lo, I am God's servant, God has given me the Book and made me a Prophet Blessed He has made me ,wherever/may be; and hi has enjoined me to prayer, and to give the alms so long as I live, and likewise to cherish my mother; He has not made me arrogant and wicked. Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up a live. "Maryam 19:29-33)
in the same chapter, following the above quotation, God assures Mohammed (PBUH) and through him the whole world, that what is told above is the TRUTH about Jesus (PBUH), although Christians might not accept it. Jesus is NOT the son of God: He was obviously enough, the son of Mary. The verses continue: "That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him, He nut says to it, 'Be, and it is. (Maryam 19:34-35)
After this strong statement about the nature of Jesus, God directed Mohammed (PBUH) to call the Christians to worship the one God: "Surely God is my God, and your God, so surely serve him. This is the straight path". (Maryam 19:36)
The rejection of the very idea of God having a son is restated later in the same chapter with even stronger words: "And they say, The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son. You have indeed advanced something hideous. As if the skies are about to burst, the earth to split asunder and its mountain to fall down in the utter ruin for that they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and behaves not the All-merciful to take a son. None there in the heavens and earth but comes to the All-merciful as a servant" (Maryam 19:88-93)
The Quran recognizes the fact that Jesus had no human father, but this does not make him the son of God, or God himself. By this criterion, Adam would have been more entitled more entitled to be the son of God, because he had neither a father nor a mother, so the Quran draws attention to the miraculous creation of both in the following verses; " truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then He said upon him, 'Be' and hi was. (Al-Imran 3:59)
The Quran rejects the concept of Trinity God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit - as strongly as it rejects the concept of Jesus as the son of God. This is because GOD IS ONE. Three cannot be one. The Quran addresses Christians in the following verses from the Surrah entitled "An-Nisaa" (The Women)
People of the Book, do not go beyond the bounds in your religion, and say nought as to God but the Truth. The messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the messenger of God, and his word (Fulfilment of his word (Fulfilment of His command, through the word "Be", for the creation of Jesus) that he committed to Mary, and a spirit originating from Him (was given life by God). So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not 'Three'. Refrain, better is for you. God is only one God. Glory be to him-that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the Heavens and in the Earth; God suffices for a guardian.
The Messiah will not disdain to be a servant of God, neither the Angels who are close to Him. Whosoever disdains to serve Him and walks proud, He will assuredly muster them to Him, all of them.
As for the believers, who do deeds of righteousness, we will pay them their rewards in full, and He will give them more, of His bounty; as for them who disdain and walks proud, then He will punish with a severe punishment, and they shall not find for them, apart from God, a friend or helper." (An-Nissa 4:171-173)
The denial of Jesus's divinity (and. For the matter, of Mary's divinity) is presented in the Quran in the form of a dialogue, at the Day of Judgement, between the Almighty Jesus. All the Messengers and their nations will gather before God and He will ask the Messengers how they were received by their people and what they said to them. Among those who will be questioned is Jesus:
"And when God said, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"? He said, 'To you be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, you would have known it, knowing what is within my heart, though I do not know your knowledge; you know the things unseen. I only said to them what you did commands me: "Serve God, my God and your God." (Al-Maida 5-116)
Given that the Quran denies the Trinity and the son ship of Jesus, what, according to the Quran, was the real mission of Jesus? The answer is that Jesus was a link in a long chain of Prophets and Messengers sent by God to various nations and societies whenever they needed guidance or deviated from his teachings of Moses and other Messengers. As he was miraculously supported by numerous miracles to prove that he was a Messengers from God. However, the majority of the Jews rejected his ministry.
In another verse of the Quran, Jesus confirmed the validity of the Torah which was revealed to Moses, and also conveyed he glad tidings of a final Messenger who follow him: "And when Jesus son of Mary said, 'Children of Israel, I am indeed the Messenger to you, confirming the Torah that is before me, and giving good tiding of a Messenger who shall be the praised one."(As-Saff 61:6)
Note that "praised one" is a translation of "Ahmad" - The Prophet Mohammed's name. Careful study of the New Testament shows that Jesus refers to the same Prophet in John 14:16-17: "And I will give you another Counsellor (ThProphet Mohammed). To be with you for ever, even the Spirit of Truth."
The usual explanation of this Prophecy is that the counsellor referred to is the Holy Spirit, but this explanation is excluded by a previous verse in John: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Counsellor will not come to you."
The characteristics of this counsellor, as can be derived from the prophecy, are that he will stay forever with the believers, he will glorify Jesus; and he will speak that he hears form God. All four characteristics apply to the Prophet Mohammed. He came six centuries after Jesus. He came six centuries after Jesus. He came with a universal and everlasting message, fulfilling the prophecy that the counsellor will stay forever with the faithful. He glorified Jesus as a great Prophet. The Quran attributes to Jesus miracles not mentioned in the Bible's Old and New Testaments, as well as specific verses in the Quran show how the Prophet Mohammad is rejected by Jews and Christians out of prejudice and misunderstanding, rather that carefully study the Bible.
It is a sad fact of history that not many are following the "straight path" to which people were called by Jesus. He was only followed by a few disciples inspired by God to support him. The non-believers plotted - as they would against Mohammed, six centuries later - to kill Jesus. But God had better plan for him and his followers, as the Quran tells us:
"And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said 'Who will be my helpers in the cause of God? The apostles said, 'we are Gods helpers. We believe in God; so bear witness of our submission God, we believe in that you have sent down, and we follow the Messenger. Inscribe us therefore with those who bear witness. 'And they devised, and God devised, and God devised, and God is the best of divisors. When God said, 'Jesus, I will take you to Me and will raise you to Me, and I will purify you (of the falsehoods) of those who do not believe. I will make your followers above the unbelievers till the Resurrection Day."(Al-Imran 3:52-55)
As the above verses indicate, Jesus was taken and raised to heaven. He was not crucified. It was certainly the plan of the enemies of Jesus to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him and someone else was crucified:
"And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a grave false charge, and for their saying, 'We killed the messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messiah of God"…yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him are surely in doubt the following of conjecture; and they did not kill him of certainty…no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, Allwise. There is not one of the people of the book but will assuredly believe him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them." (An-Nissa 4:156-159)
The Quran does not explain who was the person crucified instead of Jesus, nor elaborate on the Second Coming of Jesus. However, explanators of the Quran have always interpreted the last verse of the above quotation to mean that Jesus will believe in him before he dies. This understanding is supported by authentic sayings (Hadith) of the Prophet Mohammed may the peace and blessings of Allah him and upon all His Messengers.
Comment by abo— 2006/01/30 @ 10:02 PM — (Reply)
All praise is due to Allah alone. May Allah's peace and blessings be unto His slave-servant Mohammed and unto all his brethren prophets and messengers of Allah, and unto all their followers to the Day of Judgment, amen
Comment by Manal Rateb — 2006/01/31 @ 01:05 AM — (Reply)
In recent times, a book has been published in America
titled" the Top One Hundred, or the Greatest
Hundred in History." A certain Michael H. Hart, described as a historian, mathematician and astronomer has written this novel book. He has searched history, seeking for men who had the greatest influence on mankind. In this book he
gives us The hundred most influential men, including Asoka,
Aristotle, Buddha, Confucius, Hitler, Plato, and Zoroaster. He does not give us a mere chart of the topmost "one hundred" from the point of view of their influence on people, but he evaluates the degree of their influence and rates them in order of their excellence from No. 1, through to No. 100.He gives us his reasons for the placing of his candidates.We are not asked to agree with him, but we cannot help admire the man's research and honesty.
The most amazing thing about his selection is that he
has put our Nabee-e-Kareem, the Holy Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) as No. 1, 2 the first of his "100!" Thus confirming,
unknowingly, God's Own testimony in His Final Revelation to
the World:
MOST CERTAINLY, YOU HAVE
IN THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH
AN EXCELLENT PATTERN (OF BEHAVIOUR)
Holy Quran 33:21
Hart placing the Prophet of Islam as No. 1, has naturally
pleased the Muslims. But his choice has shocked the
Non-Muslims, more specially the Jews and the Christians,
who consider this as an affront. What? Jesus (pbuh) No. 3 and
Moses (pbuh) No. 40! This is for them very difficult to stomach,
but what says Hart? Let us hear his arguments -
SINCE THERE ARE ROUGHLY TWICE2 AS MANY
CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD, IT MAY INITIALLY
SEEM STRANGE THAT MUHAMMAD HAS BEEN
RANKED HIGHER THAN JESUS. THERE ARE TWO
PRINCIPAL REASONS FOR THAT DECISION.
FIRST, MUHAMMAD PLAYED A FAR MORE
IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF
ISLAM THAN JESUS DID IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF
CHRISTIANITY.
ALTHOUGH JESUS WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
MAIN ETHICAL AND MORAL PRECEPTS OF
CHRISTIANITY (INSOFAR AS THESE DIFFERED FROM
JUDAISM), ST. PAUL WAS THE MAIN DEVELOPER
OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, ITS PRINCIPAL
MUHAMMAD, HOWEVER, WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR
BOTH THE THEOLOGY OF ISLAM AND ITS MAIN
ETHICAL AND MORAL PRINCIPLES.
IN ADDITION, HE PLAYED THE KEY ROLE IN
PROSELYTIZING THE NEW FAITH, AND IN
ESTABLISHING THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES OF
ISLAM.
Michael H. Hart in his book - "THE 100"-pages 38/39
Comment by — 2006/01/31 @ 01:18 AM — (Reply)
Where is NOW? Where are the Democrats who always scream "Vicitim, Victim, I see a victim!" It is absurd how blind they suddenly have become when it's not an abortion clinic being bombed.
Comment by Cate— 2006/01/31 @ 01:50 AM — (Reply)
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Comment by aza spade— 2007/04/09 @ 03:56 AM — (Reply)
Untill Muslims can reform the so-called religion of peace, it is nothing more than a veneer over an ugly and hateful bunch of thugs.
And, before you start, yes, Christianity had its dark days.However, it had an enlightenment when Martain Luther demanded change by nailing his edicts to the door of a church.
Untill there is a fundamental change in Islam, don't tell me about how it is a religion of peace, 'cause I'm not buying it! And frankly, I don't think anyone can reform it, because of teachings to kill/lie/cheat the infadel. Islam is intrinsically hateful to others.
Comment by C-Mom— 2006/01/31 @ 02:34 AM — (Reply)
Manel Retab,
You seem like a reasonable person. It's not what the definition of Islam that those in West are concerned about, it's what they do.
He is the God for the Christians, the Jews, the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the atheists, and others. Muslims worship God whose name is Allah. They put their trust in Him and they seek His help and His guidance.
The God of the Christian and the God of a Muslim are mutually exclusive
Although I do not have time at this moment to give an answer to what you have written here. I have examined Islam.
Muslims are required to respect all those who are faithful and God conscious people, namely those who received messages. Christians and Jews are called People of the Book. Muslims are asked to call upon the People of the Book for common terms, namely, to worship One God, and to work together for the solutions of the many problems in the society.
How do explain this:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” 9:29
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly” 8:60
Seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.” 4:89
The fact is that when it comes to the infidel there is no virtue in Islam. The infidel can be lied to, cheated, stolen from and murdered.
These are but a few in answer to what your comment. I can go on. For more information you can go here.
Most important in my mind since I am a Christian is that what you believe about Isa and what we believe about Jesus are totally different.
Why I should care about what this Michael Hart thinks I don't know.
The fundamental difference between Christianity and really any other religion is this:
Other religions you must work or earn your way to paradise/heaven and there is no guarantee. Abo - if you follow the five pillars of Islam does Allah guarantee you will spend eternity in paradise with him?
Christianity - Jesus did the work for us. I can't earn nor do I deserve it. I know that I will spend eternity with Him because he has taken the penalty for my sin for me. e.g. I John 5:13, Ephesians 2:8,9, Titus 3:5-6
If Islam is truly the religion of peace then I suggest Abo and Manal that you reform Islam and convince those who are killing innocent people to stop what they are doing.
All I have to do is watch the news and see the fruit of Islam.
Comment by — 2006/01/31 @ 02:52 AM — (Reply)
I made the last comment
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 02:52 AM — (Reply)
One of the oddest things about Muslims, today, is that they keep lying about Islam even after the truth is out. I generally ignore them and focus on those in the West who just can’t face reality … yet.
I’ve haven’t seen Muslim anguish over the election of Hamas. Where’s all the sadness from moderates? Telling …
Keep up the good work here at Elmer’s Brother.
Comment by Jason Pappas— 2006/01/31 @ 04:46 AM — (Reply)
Thanks Jason, and you are correct their silence is deafening.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 04:49 AM — (Reply)
Christianity - Jesus did the work for us. I can't earn nor do I deserve it. I know that I will spend eternity with Him because he has taken the penalty for my sin for me. e.g. I John 5:13, Ephesians 2:8,9, Titus 3:5-6
NO ONE FOLLOWS JESUS (PBUH)
Jesus (pbuh) said,
"If you love me, keep my commandments."
John 14:15)
He said further,
Whosoever therefore shall break one of
these least commandments, and shall
teach men so, he shall be called the
least in the kingdom of heaven . . ." (matthew 5:19)
Every Christian controversialist you question, "Do you
keep the laws and the commandments?" will answer, "No!"
If you ask further, "Why don't you?" He will if he is a Bible-
thumper, invariably reply, "The law is nailed to the cross!"
Meaning the law is done away with. "We are now living
under grace!"
Every time you prod him with what his Lord and Master
(pbuh) had said, he will confront you with something from
Cornithians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, etc. If you ask,
"Who are they?" You will hear, 'Paul, Paul, Paul!" "Who is
your master?" you question, and he will say, "Jesus!" But he
will ever and anon contradict his own Jesus (pbuh) by his
Paul!
Comment by — 2006/01/31 @ 05:17 AM — (Reply)
The greatest crime, the greatest "sin" of Muhammad
(pbuh} in the eyes of the Christian West is that he did not
allow himself to be slaughtered, to be "crucified" by his
enemies. He ably defended himself, his family and his
followers; and finally vanquished his enemies. Muhammad's
pbuh} success is the Christians' gall of disappointment: he
did not believe in any vicarious sacrifice for the sins of
others. He believed and behaved naturally
His struggle and victory over the forces of unbelief and evil made the editors of the Encyclopedia Britannica to exclaim, Muhammad (pbuh} to be "THE MOST SUCCESSFUL OF ALL
RELIGIOUS PERSONALITIES."
Comment by Manal — 2006/01/31 @ 05:56 AM — (Reply)
How can the enemies of Islam account for Muhammad's
phenomenal achievements except to decry that he spread
his religion at the point of the sword? He forced Islam down
peoples' throats!?
6a. "HISTORY MAKES IT CLEAR HOWEVER, THAT
THE LEGEND OF FANATICAL MUSLIMS SWEEP-
ING THROUGH THE WORLD AND FORCING
ISLAM AT THE POINT OF THE SWORD UPON
CONQUERED RACES IS ONE OF THE MOST
FANTASTICALLY ABSURD MYTHS THAT
HISTORIANS HAVE EVER REPEATED."
De Lacy O'Leary in "Islam at the Crossroads'' London, 1923, p.8
You do not have to be a historian like O'Leary to know
that the Muslims ruled Spain for 736 years
However, after eight centuries in Spain the Muslims were
totally eliminated from that country so that not even one
man was left to give the Azan {the Muslim call to prayer}.
If the Muslims had used force, military or economic there
would not have been any Christian left in Spain to have
kicked the Muslims out. One can blame the Muslims for
exploitation if you like but one cannot charge them with
using the sword to convert Spaniards to the Islamic religion.
Today, Islam is still spreading all over the world -
and Muslims have NO sword!!
Muslims were also the masters of India for a
thousand years, but eventually when the sub-continent
received independence in 1947, the Hindus obtained three-
quarters of the country and the Muslims the balance of the
one-quarter. Why? Because the Muslims did not force Islam
down the Hindus' throats! In Spain and in India, the Muslims
were no paragons of virtue, yet they obeyed the Qur'anic
injunction to the letter -
LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION
IN RELIGION:
FOR TRUTH STANDS OUT
DISTINCT FROM ERROR. Holy Quran 2:256
Comment by — 2006/01/31 @ 06:11 AM — (Reply)
The Muslim conquerors understood from this command
that "compulsion" was incompatible with true religion:
because
(a} Religion depends on faith and will, and these
would be meaningless if induced by force.
Force can conquer but cannot convert.
(b) Truth and Error have been so clearly shown
up by the Mercy of God that there should
be no doubt in the minds of any person of
goodwill as to the fundamentals of faith.
c) God's protection is continuous and His Plan is
always to lead us from the depths of dark-
ness into the clearest light. 1
Except for some eccentrics here and there, the Muslims
as a whole adhered to the commandment of God in the
lands over which they held sway.
But what can the enemy say about countries where no
single Muslim soldier had set foot?
(i) INDONESIA: It is a fact that over a hundred
million Indonesians are Muslim, yet no con-
quering Muslim army ever landed on any of
its over two thousand islands.
(ii} MALAYSIA: The overwhelming number of its
people in this country are Muslims yet no
Muslim soldier had landed there either.
(iii} AFRICA: The majority of the people on the
East coast of Africa as far down as Mozam-
bique, as well as the bulk of the inhabitants
on the West coast of the continent are
Muslims, but history does not record any
invading hoards of Muslims from anywhere.
What sword? Where was the sword? The
Muslim trader did the job. His good conduct
and moral rectitude achieved the miracle of
conversion.
Comment by Manal — 2006/01/31 @ 06:16 AM — (Reply)
The greatest crime, the greatest "sin" of Muhammad
(pbuh} in the eyes of the Christian West is that he did not
allow himself to be slaughtered, to be "crucified" by his
enemies. He ably defended himself, his family and his
followers; and finally vanquished his enemies.
No the greatest crime of mohammed is that he led so many astray.
You lack understanding of Jesus, the Jews made the same mistake. He didn't come as an earthly king but as one to set us free. The law could not be completely obeyed. The Ten Commandments etc. exposed our inablility to follow God.
Jesus said he came to fulfill the law. He set us free. James (not Paul) said If you fail in one law you have failed them all. Jesus also said HE was the way, the truth and the life. He didn't say there would be another prophet to follow. The helper He describes to come is the Holy Spirit.
If you have peace with God (Allah) by following the five pillars, go right ahead. I have peace with God by following the one and only Son of God.
And every time you speak to a Muslim apologist he comes up with this.
Every time you prod him with what his Lord and Master
(pbuh) had said, he will confront you with something from
Cornithians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, etc. If you ask,
"Who are they?" You will hear, 'Paul, Paul, Paul!" "Who is
your master?" you question, and he will say, "Jesus!" But he
will ever and anon contradict his own Jesus (pbuh) by his
Paul!
I don't know of Paul contradicting Jesus.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
I guess if you think the Encyclopedia Britannicca is the end all to beat all go on with your bad self. Besides if you get rid of all oppposition as Mohammed did I guess you would be successful.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 06:19 AM — (Reply)
<>THE SWORD OF THE INTELECT
It is claimed that "Islam is the fastest growing
religion in the world." The overall increase of all the sects and
denominations of Christianity was a staggering 138 per cent
with the incredible increase of Islam by 235 per cent in the
same period of time of half-a-century. It is further affirmed
that in Britain and the United States of America, Islam is the
fastest growing faith. It is said that in Britain "There are
more Muslims than Methodists in the country." You have
a right to ask, "What sword?" The answer is, "THE SWORD
INDEED!" It is the sword of intellect?
It is the fulfillment of yet another prophecy.
Almost all the defenders of Muhammad (phuh) who
spoke out against the false theory that he spread his religion at the point of the sword, were Westerners
Let us now hear
what some non-Muslim Easterners have to say on the
subject:
THE MORE I STUDY THE MORE I
DISCOVER THAT THE STRENGTH OF
ISLAM DOES NOT LIE IN THE SWORD.
Mahatma Gandhi - the father of modern India, in "Young India."
THEY {Muhammad's critics} SEE FIRE
INSTEAD OF LIGHT, UGLINESS INSTEAD
OF GOOD. THEY DISTORT AND PRESENT
EVERY GOOD QUALITY AS A GREAT
VICE. IT REFLECTS THEIR OWN
DEPRAVITY... THE CRITICS ARE BLIND.
THEY CANNOT SEE THAT THE ONLY
'SWORD' MUHAMMAD WIELDED WAS THE
SWORD OF MERCY, COMPASSION,
FRIENDSHIP AND FORGIVENESS - THE
SWORD THAT CONQUERS ENEMIES AND
PURIFIES THEIR HEARTS. HIS SWORD
WAS SHARPER THAN THE SWORD OF
STEEL.
Pandit Gyanandra Dev Sharma Shastri, at a meeting in Gorakhpur lndia). 1928
HE PREFERRED MIGRATION TO FIGHTING
HIS OWN PEOPLE, BUT WHEN
OPPRESSION WENT BEYOND THE PALE
OF TOLERANCE HE TOOK UP HIS SWORD
IN SELF-DEFENCE. THOSE WHO BELIEVE
RELIGION CAN BE SPREAD BY FORCE
ARE FOOLS WHO NEITHER KNOW THE
WAYS OF RELIGION NOR THE WAYS OF
THE WORLD. THEY ARE PROUD OF THIS
BELIEF BECAUSE THEY ARE A LONG,
LONG WAY AWAY FROM THE TRUTH.
A Sikh journalist in "Nawan Hindustan," Delhi, 17 November 1947.
Comment by Manal — 2006/01/31 @ 06:35 AM — (Reply)
UNIVERSAL MESSENGER
These are not mere platitudes; beautiful sentiments bereft of action. Muhammad (pbuh) practised what he preached. Among his first companions and converts, beside the Arabs can be counted Bilal the Abyssinian, Salman the Persian and Abdullah Bin-Salaam the Jew. The sceptics may say that his outreach was simply incidental but what can they say about the historical fact that before his demise, he sent out five epistles, one to each of the five surrounding countries, inviting them to accept the religion of Islam.
1. The Emperor of Persia
2. The King of Egypt
3. The Negus of Abyssinia
4. The Emperor Hiraclius at Constantinople, and
5. The King of Yemen
Thus he set the example for the fulfilment of his impelling mission, his "greatness of purpose," the reclamation of the whole of humanity into the Master's fold. Is there another example of such universality in another religion? Muhammad (pbuh) was not out to set or to break any records, he was simply carrying out the trust that was reposed in him by the Lord of Creation!
Comment by manal— 2006/01/31 @ 06:50 AM — (Reply)
THAT is Islam; and it does indeed open my eyes to the truth. It IS ugly, it IS fire. Where is the mercy, the compassion of which you speak?
And, if those who do these things are fools, surely the biggest of fools are the Inmams, both in the Middle East and in the West, who stand idly by, doing NOTHING to stop these atrocities.
Comment by C-Mom— 2006/01/31 @ 06:52 AM — (Reply)
This is where you will never understand Christainity, we see the Cross as the ultimate in action. This world has no strains on us, we are aliens in this world.
This from my man Dag at Nodhimmitude:
Muslims believe that Mohammed is "the perfect man." What he did, the Muslim man must do in imitation, ranging from the ritual fingernail clipping to the ritual anus shaving to having four wives at once and an assortment of concubines thrown in for fun. Mohammed, of course, as the prophet actually had more than four wives. He was perfect, afterall, and Allah made exceptions for him. One "wife" Mohammed had was the six year old Aisha. That wasn't exceptional. It's lawful in Islam to this day to molest little girls. Writing this seems extreme and hateful, a slander and a libel against Islam and Muslim people. If only that were true. And if it were we would not continue. The truth is not only out there, it is here. Mohammed, the Perfect Man, is a child molestor. That's why we run thiese graphics. Think about that when you see a woman covered head to toe. What kind of life is she and her daughters condemned to? What about you and your daughters if we do nothing to stop Islam. Islam is not a mater of choice. What choice does a six year old have?
Aisha the Child Wife of Muhammad
Ali Sina
The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Please follow the link for more details from the historical Islamic record.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 07:42 PM — (Reply)
by force eh?
Comment by — 2006/01/31 @ 07:44 PM — (Reply)
It IS ugly, it IS fire. Where is the mercy, the compassion of which you speak?
whatever happens now happens for reasons wich is not in my area of interest, i m not here to judge a political situtaion , i m not here to defend Mohamed (pbuh) i m here to reveal some facts that has not been communicated properly to a brother like you .
pls give me the chance and allow me to present those facts.
I thank you in advance .
Comment by Manal— 2006/01/31 @ 07:46 PM — (Reply)
Here's what my Muslim friends should do now as they have really ignored the post.
Are the things mentioned in the post being done in the name of Allah and Islam?
It seems to me that can not be denied.
Then do you repudiate them?
If Islam repudiates such behavior we may very well be able to carry on a conversation. But somehow I doubt it.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 07:47 PM — (Reply)
Manal,
Thank you please now will you repudiate the acts of those who do these things in the name of Allah?
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 07:49 PM — (Reply)
Having 4 wives is much better then having 100 mistresses.
Comment by Manal — 2006/01/31 @ 08:09 PM — (Reply)
I have but one wife, what the Bible says I should have. Happily married have never cheated and by God's grace never will.
One is but enough my friend, trust me.
How many prostitutes do the Jihadi's have before blowing themselves up?
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 08:11 PM — (Reply)
By the time Momahed (PBUH)Got married for Aisha she was ready as a woman to get married , beside that during this specific period , the fact of marrying young girls was normal regardless of being a muslim .
look at the girls who become preganat at the age of 13 and 14 in the state, without marriage and without knowing the father of the child ? i feel pity for them.
Comment by Manal — 2006/01/31 @ 08:14 PM — (Reply)
It's not as often as you think, I am afraid your imam's fill you full of vile hatred for the west. It's not the great sin city you think it is.
If you can point me to some information where marrying a 6 year old and consumating the marriage at nine outside of Islam during this period I would be happy to read it.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 08:16 PM — (Reply)
I do too. My family and others support groups who promote abstinence among teenagers and Christianity does not allow for this.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 08:19 PM — (Reply)
You live in the UAE yes?
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 08:20 PM — (Reply)
Obviously we all cringe when we think of pedophilia and acknowledge that it is a shameful act of immorality. But during the time of Muhammad, and even today in some Islamic countries, marrying a 9-year-old child was not immoral. In fact Aisha was given to Muhammad with the consent of her parents and no one raised an eyebrow. The question is, if sleeping with a nine year old child was not deemed bad and therefore was not considered immoral, was it ok? Not everything that a society accepts as moral is right. Having sex with a minor may not have been immoral for Arabs 1400 years ago, but it is now, as it was then, unethical. Moralities are defined by circumstances, but ethics transcend time and space. They are rooted in logics. Morality can vary from culture to culture, from time to time and from person to person. Who is to determine what is moral and what is not? “
Having sex with a minor may not have been immoral for Muhammad and his contemporaries in that uncivilized culture, but it was ethically wrong. If Muhammad was a messenger of God or an honorable man, as he made his Allah to proclaim him thus, he should have known that what he was doing was dishonorable and unethical.
However, we cannot forgive with the same amnesty those who claimed to be the standard of rectitude amongst mankind. If average people could not distinguish the right from the wrong, the messengers of God, if they were from God, should have known better. If their claim was true, if their knowledge was divine, if they were inspired, they should not have followed the tradition of their people but should have set the example. Muhammad followed the morality of his people. But that morality was ethically wrong. He claimed to be the best human and the last messenger of God. According to him God has said to people all he wanted to say in the Quran and his religion is complete. There is no more guidance to come and his examples and teachings are all we need to know and follow for eternity. Yet what he did and said, under the light of modern values prove to be very wrong.
If we cannot follow the morality of Muhammad any more, if what he said and did do not fit in this modern day, why do we need Muhammad? What part of his teachings should we accept and what part should we discard? Who will determine that? This is an important question. If we give ourselves the freedom to pick and choose the teachings that most suit us we should give the same freedom to others.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 08:29 PM — (Reply)
let me repeat again that i dnt want to judge political situtations, let wars and Jihads and battles been tackeld by politicians. I m here to present facts about Mohamed's life (pbuh).If i m to comment on muslims jihads using swords , i would have to ask you about worlds wars that has nothing to do with muslims , i will have to ask you about jewish killing innocent kids and women in juresalem.
i will have to question you about the VIETNAMESE war the the 1st and 2nd world wars. and the 1000 0f other wars over the history of th earth , were all of them done by muslims or becoz of islam ?
Comment by MANAL — 2006/01/31 @ 08:41 PM — (Reply)
The jihadists do not look at this conflict as a political war but a religious one. Ask yourself what are their political aims? They are as varied and multiple as the number of terrorist groups out there. They do however share a common religious goal..to set up a caliphate with sharia law, everywhere. We can not separate the two.
Unlike Islam where conflict is congenital and organic, this is not the case in Christianity. From what I have read deceit is also a central tenet of Islam, especially as it relates to the infidel.
Some wars or conflicts have been fought in the name of Christ but this is not at the heart of Christianity. This was a way of inflaming the people.
So have you deciede whether you will renounce violence in the name of Allah?
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 08:47 PM — (Reply)
BY WHAT MEANS YOU SAY THAT MARRYING A MINOR IS WRONG?
WHY IS IT WRONG?
REMEMBER THAT DAVID THE PROPHET GOT MARRIED OF MORE THEN 100 WOMEN MOST OF THEM WERE MINORS AND NO ONE SAID IT WAS WRONG.
MOHAMED (PBUH )WAS A HUMAN BEING , NOT AN ANGEL, A MAN WHO EAT AND SLEEP AND HAVE DESIRES LIKE YOU AND ME.
Comment by MANAL — 2006/01/31 @ 08:48 PM — (Reply)
No one considers David a prophet either, he was man who sinned. e.g. Killing Uriah to marry Bathsheba.
Does this mean you think it's okay?
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 08:52 PM — (Reply)
So I should follow him why?
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/01/31 @ 08:53 PM — (Reply)
YOU ARE SAYIMG THA DAVIDE WAS NOT A PROPHET ?
IBRAHAM HAD 2 WIVES WASNT HE A PROPHET AS WELL ?
Comment by MANAL— 2006/01/31 @ 09:40 PM — (Reply)
YES YOU SHOULD FOLLWO HIM COZ HE IS SENT WITH A MESSAGE FROM GOD TO ENGLIGHT US AND COMPLETE THE MESSAGES SENT BEFORE HIM BY MOSES, JESUS AND ALL OTHER PHROPETS .
Comment by — 2006/01/31 @ 09:43 PM — (Reply)
Comment by aza spade— 2007/04/09 @ 03:39 AM — (Reply)
THE OUALITY OF MERCY
The Christian propagandists make the wild boast that there is nothing in the history of mankind to compare with the merciful and forgiving cry of Jesus (pbuh) on the cross ...
Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
Luke 23:34
Amazing as it may sound, of the four writers of the Canonical Gospels, only St. Luke was inspired by the Holy ghost (?) to pen these words. The other three - Matthew, Mark and John never heard these words or they felt them to be too insipid or not important enough for recording. St. Luke was not even one of the twelve disciples selected by Jesus (pbuh). According to the revisers of the Revised Standard Version (RSV) of the Bible, these words are not in the most ancient manuscripts which by implication means that they are an interpolation
In "The New King James Version," (Copyrighted by the Thomas Nelson Publishers inr 1984), we are told that these words are "not in the original text" of the Greek manuscripts of St. Luke. In other words they have been fabricated by some pious gentleman. Although the quotation is unauthentic, we will still entertain it because it demonstrates great piety of loving one's enemies and of unsurpassed forgiveness as preached by the Master himself.
For forgiveness to be of any worth, the forgiver must be in a position to forgive. If the victim of injustice is still in the clutches of his enemies; in that helpless position and he would cry out, "I FORGIVE YOU!" it would be meaningless. But if the aggrieved party had turned the tables on his enemies and was in a position of taking revenge or exact retribution, and yet say "I forgive you!", only then would it mean something!
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/01 @ 12:08 AM — (Reply)
MUHAMMAD'S (PBUH) CLEMENCY
Contrast the alleged forgiveness from the "cross" with the historical bloodless conquest of Makkah by Muhamrnad pbuh) at the head of ten thousand "saints" (his companions)
THE CITY WHICH HAD TREATED HIM SO CRUELLY, DRIVEN HIM AND HIS FAITHFUL BAND FOR REFUGE AMONGST STRANGERS, WHICH HAD SWORN HIS LIFE AND THE LIVES OF HIS DEVOTED DISCIPLES, LAY AT HIS FEET. HIS OLD PERSECUTERS RELENTLESS AND RUTHLESS, WHO HAD DISGRACED HUMANITY BY INFLICTING CRUEL OUTRAGES UPON INOFFENSIVE MEN AND WOMEN, AND EVEN UPON THE LIFELESS DEAD, WERE NOW COMPLETELY AT HIS MERCY. BUT IN THE HOUR OF HIS TRIUMPH EVERY EVIL SUFFERED WAS FORGOTTEN, EVERY INJURY INFLICTED WAS FORGIVEN, AND A GENERAL AMNESTY WAS EXTENDED TO THE POPULATION OF MAKKAH
Calling before him the populace of the vanquished city, he addressed them with "What do you expect at my hands today?" His people had known him too well, even from his childhood so they replied, "Mercy, 0 generous brother and nephew!" Tears came into the eyes of the Prophet, and he said, "I will speak to you as Joseph spoke unto his brethren, I will not reproach you today: go you are free!"
Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct). Holy Quran 33:21
Comment by — 2006/02/01 @ 12:18 AM — (Reply)
Muhammad (pbuh) was the greatest man that ever lived!"
But all this still remains incomplete without the Master's verdict; Muhammad's (pbuh) predecessor - Jesus Christ, (pbuh). We will now apply his own standard for evaluating greatness.
JOHN THE BAPTIST
John the Baptist,known throughout the Muslim world as Yahya (Peace be upon him) was a contemporary prophet of the Messiah. They were also
cousins. Here is what the Master has to say of him:
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: Matthew 11:11
Every son of man is "born of women." By this very fact John the Baptist is greater than Moses, David, Solomon, Abraham or Isaiah; none of the Israelite prophets excluded. What gives John this ascendancy over every other prophet? It could not be any miracle, because the Bible records none to his credit. It could not be his teachings, because he brought no new laws or regulations. Then what makes him the greatest? Simply because he was the heralder, a pre-cursor, a harbinger of the happy news of the coming of the Messiah. This is what made John the greatest, but Jesus (pbuh) claims that he himself was even greater than the greatest Why?
But I have greater witness than that of John (the Baptist): For The Works which the Father has given me to finish
John 5:36
It is the "witness," the commission which God Almighty had entrusted him with, which makes Jesus (pbuh) greater than even John.Applying these very standards as enunciated by the Master, we find that -
1. John the Baptist was the greatest of all the Israelite prophets, because he heralded the mighty Messiah (Jesus pbuh).
Similarly Jesus (pbuh) would be greater than even John because he heralded "The Spirit of Truth, the Comforter," who was to guide mankind into all Truth
(of the Gospel of St. John, chapter 16).
2. The diocese, the mission of Jesus (pbuh), or "the works which God had given him to accomplish," was limited to the Lost sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 15:24), whereas the mission of Muhammad (pbuh) was universal. He had been told -
And we have sent thee not (O Muhammad), but as a Mercy unto (all) the worlds. Holy Quran 21:107
In keeping with his grand commission, Muhammad (pbuh) consistently delivered his Message to one and all who would hear, irrespective of race, class or creed, He welcomed them all in the religion of God, without any discrimination. He had no thought of dividing the creatures of God into "dogs and pigs" (Matthew 7:6) or into "sheep and goats" (Matthew 25:32).
Mohamed PBUH was the Messenger of the One True God, who was sent as a Mercy unto all mankind,unto the whole universe And, he never forgot this mission even right up to his dying day.
Towards the end of his earthly sojourn, when he could look back to a hectic and dangerous past, now crowned with success; he now feels that he could sit back and enjoy the fruits of his toil; he dreams of a life free from turmoil and full of satisfaction and relaxation.Not for him! There is no time to rest or relax. There is work still to be done. God Almighty reminds him - -
WE HAVE NOT SENT THEE
(O MUHAMMAD) BUT TO THE
WHOLE OF MANKIND.
AS A GIVER OF GLAD TIDINGS AND AS A WARNER,
BUT MOST OF MANKIND STILL DO NOT KNOW.
Holy Quran 34:28
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/01 @ 12:54 AM — (Reply)
How was he to respond to this new challenge in his ripening old age? There were no electronic gadgets of modern communication methods at his disposal; there were no telex and fax machines which he could exploit. What could he do? Being an ummi (unlettered), he called the scribes and dictated five letters, one each to the Emperor at Constantinople, the King of Egypt, the Negus of Abyssinia, the King of Yemen and to the Emperor in Persia. He called forth five Sahaaba (his holy companions) with five Arab steeds and set them out in five different directions inviting the nations of the world to the universal religion of God.
The letter begins, "From Muhammad the Messenger of God, to Heraclius the Emperor at Constantinople:
Accept Islam and be benefited."
"O PEOPLE OF THE BOOK!
COME TO COMMON TERMS
AS BETWEEN US AND YOU:
THAT WE WORSHIP
NONE BUT GOD;
THAT WE ASSOCIATE
NO PARTNERS WITH HIM;
THAT WE ERECT NOT,
FROM AMONG OURSELVES,
LORDS AND PATRONS
OTHER THAN GOD."
IF THEN THEY TURN BACK,
SAY YE: "BEAR WITNESS
THAT WE (AT LEAST) ARE
MUSLIMS (BOWING TO GOD'S WILL) Holy Quran 3:64
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/01 @ 01:05 AM — (Reply)
PLS TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE WHILE READING , OPEN YOUR HEART AND MIND AND UNDERSTAND THE TRUE MEANING OF ISLAM .
GOD BLESS YOU
Comment by MANAL— 2006/02/01 @ 01:24 AM — (Reply)
What`s funny about this carecature subject, is that not a single western newspaper has the courage to write,or draw anything that concerns the jews,or the jewish beliefs.They defend their freedom of speech when it comes to muslims,or christians (although they are christians themselves).and honestly,i believe that we muslims respect christianism more than they do.But anyway,when it comes to a jew,the whole world turns upside down, and it becomes an issue of anti-semitism.Well if they defend the freedom of speech all that much, then the iranian president should not be blamed.He was simply declaring his personal opinion.He believes the holocausts are fake,which might probably be true,and he believes that it`s the west`s fault,and that we arabs shouldn`t suffer because of that,which is absolutely true.He also calls for israel to be wiped off the world map,which is no surprise,because israel was created by the west in the first place.That is a freedom of speech,at least the man is sayin the truth.
Comment by — 2006/02/01 @ 01:52 AM — (Reply)
If my Muslim friends are finished now I wonder if they will answer my questions. I will repeat one last time for their benefit.
Are the things mentioned in the post being done in the name of Allah and Islam?
It seems to me that can not be denied.
Then do you repudiate them?
If Islam repudiates such behavior we may very well be able to carry on a conversation. But somehow I doubt it.
Manal, as I said you seem like a reasonable person. I have studied Christianity for 25 years you will not convince me that Mohammed or Islam possesess anything desirable.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/02/01 @ 02:32 AM — (Reply)
The Muslim is Friendly And Likeable
http://www.islamicfinder.org/articles/article.php?id=423&lang=english
Comment by abo— 2006/02/01 @ 06:03 AM — (Reply)
if you need more about true islam, go to this site
http://www.islamicfinder.org/faq/list.php?lang=english#24
Comment by abo— 2006/02/01 @ 06:08 AM — (Reply)
I remember, during the Cold War, how Communists tried to sell a utopian version of a “worker’s paradise.” I didn’t buy their version of paradise and I’m certainly not going to buy the “72 virgin” version either. But Muslims think if they repeat their lies often enough, we’ll come around. Sorry, guys, you can stop lying now that we know the truth about Islam.
Comment by Jason Pappas— 2006/02/01 @ 09:46 AM — (Reply)
if you need more about true islam read the post
since when
Comment by — 2006/02/01 @ 06:47 PM — (Reply)
The Muslim is Friendly And Likeable
before the blood suckers ( the jewish) controlled the media all over the world and blackmailed every one who did not follow thier orders (ask bill clinton) when he began to but them in the right path to peace, they arranged the Monika Lewinsky (who is a jewish by the way ) to destroy him. Read the history and you may go to this site
http://www.davidduke.com/
Comment by abo— 2006/02/01 @ 09:13 PM — (Reply)
Who Stole Christmas
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47775
Comment by — 2006/02/01 @ 09:40 PM — (Reply)
Wow, so this has deginerated from what seemed a reasonably measured discussion into an all-caps escapade culminating with a plug for David Duke.
Bravo.
Comment by Corri— 2006/02/03 @ 04:12 AM — (Reply)
Corri,
I do not usually moderate the comments. Thanks for stopping by nonetheless.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/02/03 @ 05:38 AM — (Reply)
Good example of Freedom of Speech in the west
A Modern Day Bookburning
Freedom of Speech and My Book Jewish Supremacism
Jewish Supremacism: A Modern Day Bookburning
David Duke
The Canadian government has now officially banned my book Jewish Supremacism. Canadian Customs officials routinely seize and burn the book from Canadian booksellers who order it. With unabashed chutzpah, the government then sends a bill for the cost of seizing and incinerating their book!
Such is the state of freedom in the West in the early years of the 21st Century.
I frequently use the phrase heritage and freedom to focus on the most important issues confronting us. Heritage and Freedom are mutually dependent.
Our survival depends on freedom, for our heritage will face certain extinction unless we have the freedom first to know the truth and secondly to act on it.
As is readily apparent, the establishment nexus of government and media pursues policies that destroy our unique heritage and everything associated with it: our culture, way of life, prosperity, traditions, values and even our unique genetic inheritance. Unless there is a great awakening among our people and unless those policies change, European mankind will be completely wiped off the face of the earth. In fact, the term will be wiped off is not completely accurate. We are being wiped off the face of the planet right now! It is happening at a frightening pace.
The loss of our unique and beautiful people, a people responsible for most of the great and sublime achievements of mankind is an immeasurable, tragic loss. The purveyors of this genocide are committing the greatest crime in the history of mankind.
If genocide (or destruction of a whole people) should be considered the worst possible crime and demands condemnation, then what should one call the genocide of European mankind?
European-Americans have long been a small minority of the earths population. But now in the United States and all over the world we are also rapidly becoming minorities in our very homelands.
Two primary factors are responsible for this onrushing disaster: massive non-European immigration into White nations and negative birthrates among our own people.
European-American birthrates are so catastrophically low that our population will be decimated in only five short generations. The current birthrate of 1.25 means that for each 100 European-Americans after only five generations there will be less than 10. Imagine, a people that has existed for thousands of generations becoming decimated in only 5 short generations! In a mirror image, non-Europeans are exploding in population in their own lands and pouring into European-American nations.
In addition to the decimating European-American birthrates and massive non-European immigration into White homelands, the media vigorously promotes a self-loathing among our own people and racial outmarriage.
All these factors lead inexorably to annihilation for our people. Yet, the media, driven primarily in the world by its Jewish-dominated New YorkHollywood axis, acts as if this passing of our race is a cause for celebration. Somehow, European Americans are supposed to look forward to the benefits of a so-called diversity in which we will not even exist.
There is no immigration or other demographic threat to almost completely African or Asian nations. On the contrary, their high birthrates are increasing their populations. It is only our own race that stands at the edge of extinction.
Destruction of the European people is applauded by the very same media establishment that constantly tells the world that the alleged attempted genocide of Jews during the Second World War was the greatest crime of history. Furthermore, the preponderance of media and political oligarchs in the West offer unqualified support for Israel as a Jewish State, They repeatedly state that Israel must be a state dedicated to the preservation of the Jewish people, religion and culture. Yet, if European-Americans desire their genetic, cultural, religious and political survival and freedom, those same powers paint us to be racist and evil. These hypocritical positions should give any thinking person a good damn clue as to who really runs the media.
In the controlled media there is very little public discussion about this catastrophic demographic change for the European world. Revealingly, there is far more discussion in the media about the demographic threat that the Palestinian birthrate poses to Israel than there is about the demographic crisis facing America and Europe!
Regarding intermarriage, a quick Google internet search on the word intermarriage elicits hundreds-of-thousands of articles citing the danger of intermarriage to the Jewish people. Only a very small percentage of articles warn about the dangers of intermarriage to European mankind. What is it about Jews that makes them more worthy of preservation? Should Europeans not be accorded the same human right to survive?
When George Bush spoke at Bob Jones University during his last presidential campaign the media excoriated him and forced him to apologize for speaking at a university that frowns on interracial and inter-religious marriage. Yet, within days after his appearance at Bob Jones he spoke to two major Jewish organizations that have active programs intended to prevent intermarriage of Jews and Gentiles. There was not a peep of protest about those appearances. Again, the uninitiated are given another clear sign as to who runs the media in America.
While the possible demise of Jewish people is looked upon as the most evil of crimes, the ongoing destruction of the White race is hardly even mentioned, and when it is discussed the media tell us that it is something to which we should eagerly look forward! This attitude is typified by President Clintons June 13, 1998 speech that he made at Portland State University. He praised the new diversity in America and he spoke optimistically of the time when European Americans will become the American minority. Heres what he said, quote:
But now we are being tested again — by a new wave of immigration larger than any in a century, far more diverse than any in our history. Each year, nearly a million people come legally to America. Today, nearly one in ten people in America was born in another country; one in five schoolchildren are from immigrant families.
Today, largely because of immigration, there is no majority race in Hawaii or Houston or New York City. Within five years there will be no majority race in our largest state, California. In a little more than 50 years there will be no majority race in the United States. (Applause.) No other nation in history has gone through demographic change of this magnitude in so short a time. unquote
How propagandized and sick our people have become. In Portland, Oregon the overwhelmingly White audience applauded the demise of their own people. Could one imagine Afro-Americans in Atlanta applauding a remark that African-Americans there would soon become a minority?
Could one imagine Jews in Israel applauding the announcement that Jews would soon become a minority in Israel? Do Palestinians celebrate their new minority status in what was once their own Palestine?
Of course, President Clinton was somewhat wrong about historical demographic change. Many societies have gone through dramatic demographic change in relatively short historic periods. Perhaps he left that fact out because he did not want to note that those nations traditional peoples and cultures did not survive.
A good historical example is Romes destruction of its rival Carthage in 146 BC. Most of the Carthaginians were physically exterminated. Their cities were burnt, their fields salted and the few remaining survivors sold into slavery and dispersed across the world. The decimated people who inherited this once great kingdom could not raise Carthage again, and in fact it virtually ceased to exist.
History is a long story of the powerful impact of demographic change. Of course, a classic example is the migration of Europeans to the Americas. The Indians were decimated by many factors including military defeat and disease. Those left fell under oppression and the complete domination of the occupying race. Indians heroically resisted this threat to their way of life, their freedom to live as they have always lived and the real threat to their very existence posed by immigration.
All healthy peoples resist their own destruction. Ironically, many of the liberals who masochistically look forward to the demise of the White race at the same time greatly honor and revere the Indians and all peoples of the world who resist European colonialism. By that inconsistency they expose their own hateful, anti-White racism. Contrary to their concern toward other peoples, they dont accord those of European descent even the fundamental human right of survival.
Another good example of the devastating power of immigration is the incredibly rapid dispossession of the Palestinian people by a massive Jewish immigration invasion and then when their numbers became great enough, dispossession by force and terror. Palestinians in Israel who owned 95 percent of the land in 1945, now own less than 5 percent. And in 1967 Israel expanded her borders again and put about one and one-half million people under an oppressive military occupation. The West Bank and Gaza is are really nothing more than a huge concentration camps.
Yet, the owners of media still talk about valiant, freedom-loving little Israel, and George Bush and John Cohen (Kerry) give bear hugs to Jewish terrorists such as Ariel Sharon, the Butcher of Beirut, and refer to him as a man of peace. Of course, there is not even a peep of protest in the controlled media about American leaders cozying up to a man who should be on trial for war crimes.
Actually, although the audience in Portland applauded Clintons White remark about the White race soon becoming a minority, most of our people are still relatively healthy and they realize the disaster that looms for themselves and their children if they become a minority both in their communities and respective nations. How can one otherwise explain White flight in our major cities, or the massive White migration to the Pacific Northwest and other European-American parts of the United States?
Every opinion poll conducted in all the White nations shows an overwhelming percentage of our people oppose massive Third World immigration. Most polls in the United States, Canada and Britain show an incredibly high, 80 percent of Europeans and Americans want to end the illegal immigration and to sharply curtail legal immigration. The same can be said in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Scandinavia, Australia, and in every traditionally European nation. Ireland, for instance, voted recently to rescind automatic citizen rights for those non-Irish who happen to be born on Irish soil. In fact, a major Irish newspaper and national radio program interviewed me on the subject recently.
In spite of overwhelming popular opposition, the government of every White nation has destructive policies resulting in: 1) massive immigration of non-Europeans, 2) inadequate enforcement of existing immigration laws, 3) economic and social structures and pressures causing lower birthrates among Europeans.
The demographic transformation of European American nations is not an inevitable event such as a ripe apple falling from a tree. It is a contrived and unnatural state of affairs. All people naturally wish to preserve themselves. It is a result of our peoples will being purposely subverted. The best definition of tyranny is simply making people do what they dont want to do. These tyrants enforce policies against our will, policies that will utterly destroy our heritage!
There are many reasons why governments are not acting in defense of our most basic interests. Most Western governments are controlled by certain economic, political and ethnic factions that have an agenda contrary to the great majority of the people. The most common term describing these factors is Special interest groups. The most powerful special interest groups in the Western World are those supporting the agenda of Jewish supremacism. For instance any insider on Capitol Hill can tell you that the strongest lobby in Washington, DC is the Zionist lobby. Imagine, the strongest lobby in the United States Government is for some domestic concern but for a foreign power!
Their power can be seen in the media and government orchestration of Americas war against Iraq. It can be seen in the fact that although Israeli crimes against the Palestinians are horrendous and obvious, Israel gets pretty much a free pass from the press. It can be seen in the power this little country holds over Americas military machine, the most powerful on earth. Senator Fulbright put it bluntly when he said, Israel Controls the U.S. Senate.
Not only have Jewish supremacists such as Perle and Wolfowitz been the architects of the anti-American Iraq War which will damage and endanger our people for generations to come, but they have been the most powerful force behind opening Western borders. (Please read my chapter called Jewish-Led Invasion in Jewish Supremacism). They have even been the prime movers of destructive movements favoring radical feminism, increasing abortion, homosexuality, and zero-population growth (Paul Ehrlich). All of which have helped lower European-American birthrates. The Jewish-supremacist dominated media of course has incessantly promoted all these movements, as well as promoting self-hatred and intermarriage among Europeans.
The world-wide entertainment and news media are overwhelmingly dominated by people who have a genocidal agenda against our heritage. Sounds pretty extreme, does it not, for me to use the term genocidal, yet, that is precisely their agenda. They support policies that result in the genocide (or destruction of the genes) of our very people. These policies will cause our people to lose control in our own nations, make our children minorities in our own nations and eventually be subsumed by the non-Europeans who will replace us. Yet , this is the same media that promotes Jewish supremacy in Palestine and elsewhere!
There is, however a roadblock in the way of the genocidists. In spite of the 24 hour a day propaganda informing us of the great benefits of immigration, the great majority of our people around the world oppose it! The potential exists for a great popular uprising against the establishment on behalf of our survival.
So how do they prevent that political upheaval? There are two things that are critical to their maintaining their control over us and the continuation of these genocidal policies. 1) They must prevent our people from realizing that the mass media has been hijacked by non-European, Jewish supremacists and their servants, and 2) they must keep our people from clearly understanding the demographic crisis our people face.
To accomplish these two objectives they attempt to control as much speech and opinion as possible and to repress dissent by defamation of those who dare to resist — and failing that, by outright suppression and persecution.
They start by labeling as haters any Europeans who love their heritage and seek to preserve it. Racism is a term strikingly similar to the Inquisitions use of the word heresy. Just label someone a racist or hater and discussion ends. In a number of countries, they have actually made it a criminal offense for European Americans to object to our ongoing genocide. To suggest that massive non-European immigration is a threat to our survival is punishable as a hate crime. And, of course, they have made it a criminal offense to simply expose Jewish supremacism. Such a hate crime is punishable by imprisonment in many European American nations.
I know some people who are reading this dont really believe it when I say that thousands of Europeans are in prison for thought and speech crimes. After all, we grow up in a media climate that says free speech is good, suppression of speech is bad. Free expression is good, book burning or banning is evil. Most people believe that suppression of intellectual thought is the kind of thing that existed only under totalitarianism.
Yet, for all of that, there are thousands of men and women in jail in dozens of Western countries for daring to exercise their intellectual freedom on the race and Jewish issue. Yes, thousands! In places such as the UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, and Canada, expressing such sentiments as I do in the David Duke Report is punishable by imprisonment. My good friend, the scholar Juergen Graff, is in exile because he faces a two year prison sentence in Switzerland for his intellectual research and writing that historically challenges some areas of the Holocaust story.
In America we have a very clear Bill of Rights in the U.S. Constitution that unequivocally defends freedom of speech. Yet, that has not stopped lawmakers, at the behest of Jewish supremacist groups such as the Anti-Defamation League of Bnai Brith (ADL) and the American Jewish Congress (AJC), from passing legislation that increases penalties for crimes if the offending person uttered the wrong speech or even had the wrong thoughts at the time of the crime! His thought crime is proven by possession of books or literature deemed to be hate literature.
In America, the forces in power use other means rather than direct speech laws to suppress their dissidents. A perfect example is shown by the case of Chess Champion Bobby Fischer. He had the temerity to go and play a chess match in Yugoslavia when the U.N. had sanctions against that country. Now the U.S. government wants to put him in jail for ten years for that miniscule offense.
The truth is that they are after Bobby Fischer for saying some very offensive things about the 911 tragedy and even more importantly, for condemning the Jewish supremacist state of Israel and the Jewish supremacy over much of the United States and the world.
It does Mr. Fischer no good that he may be a Jew himself, as it is claimed his mother was Jewish. Of course, Jews also claim Jewish Christ was also of Jewish origin, but that didnt do him much good either. Once you dare to challenge their evil power, they are not shy about using that power against you.
I am reminded of the case of Democratic House Leader James Moran of Virginia who casually remarked at a town hall meeting that the Jewish community had the power to prevent the Iraq War and that he hoped that they would. At the same time they announced how terribly wrong Rep. Moran was about Jewish power they had him stripped of his leadership position in House of Representatives!
It matters not how their suppression of free speech goes against every principle of freedom. How interesting when Bush and Blair proclaimed that one of the main justifications for going to war in Iraq was to give the Iraqis freedom. Somehow, freedom is what we are supposed to have in the Western nations, but supposedly did not exist in Saddam Husseins Iraq.
What exactly is this freedom we are supposed to be giving them? I imagine that our rulers are alluding to freedom of speech and conscience, the freedom to read and discuss any opinion, principle, thought, or idea.
Other than the ubiquitous pictures of the ovens of Auschwitz, the most common and potent image used to discredit Nazi Germany is the burning of books. Those nasty old Nazis, they dared to burn books. How much more evil can you get? The fact is that book burning is not a thing of the past but continues to the very present. It can be illustrated in the actions of Americas neighbor to the north, Canada, which falls mightily under Jewish media and government influence.
Recently, the ADL in Canada succeeded in keeping Al-Jazeera, the independent Mideast satellite channel off the cable networks in Canada. One of the reasons cited against Al-Jazeera was that it had the chutzpah to invite me on one of their prime time programs a year and a half ago. Canadian columnist Antonia Zerbisias writing in the Toronto Star on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 wrote:
Who Will Protect us from Fox?
Censoring Al-Jazeera a Double Standard
Now that its critics have ensured that Al-Jazeera will never get on Canada’s digital dial uncensored, will they now fight to protect us from Fox News?
Recall that, last week, the federal broadcast regulator gave a half-assed go-ahead to the Arabic-language news channel, requiring that distributors who add it to their offerings keep it free of “abusive comment.”
That decision, complete with onerous guilty-until-proven-innocent restrictions, was reached after lobbying by both the Canadian Jewish Congress and B’nai Brith Canada who, naturally, were concerned about anti-Jewish hate speech.
Yesterday in the Post, Ed Morgan, national president of the Canadian Jewish Congress, published an op-ed praising the Canadian limitations on Al-Jazeera. Referring to how it airs “vile” material, Morgan noted the channel had, along with hosting American and Israeli leaders, interviewed Ku Klux Klan chief David Duke in 2002.
The Post made a big deal of that, by highlighting the bit in boldface and larger type. But Fox News had Duke on as well, also in 2002, discussing and this is from Duke’s Web site (U.S.) “the Israeli involvement in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.”
I was interviewed on Fox a couple a months before the Iraq War by a hostile interviewer who did her best in trying to prevent me from speaking even a complete sentence. The ADL is afraid of networks such as Al-Jazeera daring to let all different points of view have a fair and open forum. They cannot stand true freedom of speech. Freedom of speech on these issues simply means they lose the battle for public opinion.
The Jewish supremacists of the ADL demand that the vast majority of the media represent only their viewpoint . They seek to ruthlessly suppress any and all opposition. Even if their opposition only has less than one percent of media influence, they are compelled to squelch it! It is not enough for them to dominate the 99 percent of the rest of the media, they want a complete blackout of contrary opinions. Of course their fear of free speech reveals how much they fear the evidence we can produce to expose their hypocrisy.
Burning My Book In Canada
Under the influence of the ADL, the Canadian government has now officially outlawed my two books. The government now seizes and burns My Awakening and Jewish Supremacism. In fact, the Canadian government in addition to seizing and destroying my books, will send a bill for their destruction to the Canadian book companies who dare to object to their books being burned.! It is reminiscent of the Red Chinese policy of sending a bill for the executioners bullets to the families of the executed.
In use of language that goes well beyond Orwellian newspeak, the government classifies my books as quote hate propaganda. But their definition of hate propaganda is so nebulous that most books in Canada could easily be banned under this law.
Let me quote from the official form sent by the Canadian government to a Canadian citizen who had ordered my book.
My book is classified as hate propaganda because it criticizes an identifiable group. To be hate propaganda in Canada all a book has to do is to criticize an identifiable group for serious economic/social problems, or allege that it manipulates media/trade/finance/politics/government to the detriment of society or that it is inferior/superior, or that it weakens or threatens society.
Big Brother would proud of such an all-encompassing definition of hate propaganda. All discourse criticizes in some way identifiable groups: whether they be Communists or Capitalists, Nazis or Libertarians, Europeans or Native Indians, Republicans or Democrats, free traders or protectionists, Christians or Moslems: , neocons or liberals, Jews or Evangelist Christians. Israelis or Jihadists all could be included. In short, an identifiable group is any of the tens of thousands of identifiable groups that exist in society and if you write a word of criticism of them your book can be burned.
By this insane definition, if someone blames Republicans or Democrats (an identifiable group) for serious economic and social problems, he is guilty of hate propaganda. If a writer complains of historical European mistreatment of Native American Indians he is guilty of hate propaganda. If he blames Europeans for serious economic or social problems of Indians he is guilty (but dont hold your breath for any of thousands of such books to be banned). If one writes of German guilt for war crimes that book must also be burned. (but none have burned so far!)
As those of you have read my books know, although I defend the right of all groups to preserve their heritage including our own, I do not claim any group is inferior or superior or support the oppression of anyone; in fact I expose the racial supremacism and oppression of Zionism. Because I expose Jewish racial supremacism and racial hatred with quotes from their own writings, my books are called hate propaganda.
The point is that the laws burning books in Canada are purposefully so nebulous that those who have real power can use them to protect Zionism and Israel from criticism. That is the real reason for the law. It is similar to laws the Inquisition had against Heresy or Blasphemy. What are those things really except what the Inquisitors say that they are. What is hate propaganda it is whatever the Jewish censors say it is!
The American Library Association has a number of formal positions on freedom of speech and intellectual freedom. You can find them on the ala.org website. Every person who loves freedom certainly agrees with its stated principles. Let me share some of them with you. Quote:
We believe that free communication is essential to the preservation of a free society and a creative culture.
Intellectual freedom is the right of every individual to both seek and receive information from all points of view without restriction. It provides for free access of all expressions of ideas through which any and all sides of a question, cause or movement may be explored.
The freedom to read is essential to our democracy. It is continuously under attack These actions apparently arise from a view that our national tradition of free expression is no longer valid; that censorship and suppression are needed to avoid the subversion of politics and the corruption of morals.
Every tyranny in the world attempts to suppress the free speech of its dissidents. What is happening in the West is a testimony that we are occupied by an alien power who rules over us and works against our most basic interests.
The American Library Association also dusted off an old quote by the German writer Heine to show the evil of book burning:
Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.
(from the German: “Dort, wo man Bcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.)Heinrich Heine, from his play Almansor (1821)
Heine wrote those words in 1821 and they are absolutely applicable today to the European people themselves. Because we are not free, we face annihilation.
Another historical voice in Great Britain Charles Bradlaugh put it this way:
Without free speech no search for truth is possible… no discovery of truth is useful… Better a thousand fold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race.”
Even our own George Washington said it so well:
“If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”
We are indeed being led like sheep to the slaughter. Only when we break the alien power over us can we both be free and survive. We will be led like sheep to the slaughter, or we will stand up as brave and free men for our heritage and freedom. The great American John Adams called upon this courage in our people in 1756:
It should be your care, therefore, and mine, to elevate the minds of our children and exalt their courage;If we suffer their minds to grovel and creep in infancy, they will grovel all their lives.
– John Adams, Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1756
Such a call is even more headed in 2004 than it was then. Indeed, we must elevate the minds of our children, exalt their courage, we must not grovel, we must defend our sacred heritage and our precious freedom.
To this end, I dedicate my life, and urge all reading these words to do likewise.
I Remain,
Yours for Our Heritage and Freedom!
David Duke
Comment by abo— 2006/02/03 @ 09:50 PM — (Reply)
Of course islam repudiates them me and majority of muslims as well .we refuse to recognize there violance.
Brother , you said that u have studied christianity for 25 years ,now pls find answersto the follwoing questions:
1-Have you ever stuided or even tried to read about Islam ?
2-Have i said in my previous posting any facts that are not mentionned in the bibles or Quraan?
3- Quoting you :"why should i do the job if jesus has done it for us ? now can u pls get me a verse form the bible to say that Jesus has done the job for us ?
4-pls find 1 verse in the bible to say that jesus is announcing himslef as being the LORD.
let us do a focused job now.
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/04 @ 01:16 AM — (Reply)
a quick brief about me ,
35 years female , egyptian loving in uae , travelled a lot an lived 4 years in US .
i am a moderate muslim who prayes 5 times a day , fast im Ramadan and try as much as possible to avoid bid sins.
my case is the case of majority of muslims all over the univers .
i urge you to read about Islam , read about MOHAMED and read the Quraan,
i would gain no benifet out of your readings but i might gain your respect .
may god grant you with mercy
Manal
Comment by — 2006/02/04 @ 01:43 AM — (Reply)
I have deleted the nasty comment from before. I have never done that but the commenter added nothing to the conversation.
Abo - David Duke was part of the KKK and I am not a racist. I will leave your post up but in the future please just put a link and I will read it. This is not a hate site.
You have my respect, but just as I am compelled to confront my Christian brothers and sisters (and others hold me accountable) I am compelled to hold those in Islam who use violence to instill a caliphate accountable.
Of course islam repudiates them me and majority of muslims as well .we refuse to recognize there violance.
Maybe we will get somewhere.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a substitution through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
How many will satisfy you?
Mark 14:61-64
In these verses Jesus admits to being the Son of God. It inflamed the Jews, the High Priest tore his clothes because he considered it blasphemy. The reason the Jews wished to kill Jesus was because of His claim to deity.
John 10 The Pharisees were going to stone Him for His words. If Jesus were claiming that He was there just as a prophet this would not have been a reason for stoning.
The Sanhedrin asked him directly if He was the Son of God and Jesus answered in the affirmative.
John 5:17-18 etc.....
How many more will satisfy you?
Manal
I have been educating myself about Islam, hence the post and I watch the news. If the writings and Bible verses would gain you no benefit then this will become a one sided conversation, because discussion requires listening as well. I have listened to you and I have been respectful of your comments. The violence and other atrocities I see from radical Muslims seems congenital and organic to Islam and this is in stark contrast to Christianity. If you want me to continue to respect Islam then Islam must respect my freedom. See the following:
If the true reason behind the rage and the reaction of the Muslims is their concern for equal respect of all religions and its icons, then shouldn’t the Jews and the Christians be entitled for the same reasons to be enraged and file an international law suit against the Qur’an for its incitement against the Jews and the Christians, and their humiliation propagated by it?
Could his majesty, the King of Saudi, clearly state to the Westerners generally and Danes particularly, both required to respect Islam, who is it that sura 1:7 is referring to "on whom Allah has bestowed his wrath and those who have gone astray".
Aren’t they the Jews and the Christians?!
Would the Muslims kindly inform the West and the Westerners who are required to respect Islam? Who is it that is being referred to in sura 7:176, "his similitude is that of a dog, if you attack him he lolls out his tongue or if you leave him alone he still lolls out his tongue that is the similitude of whose who reject our signs"?
Isn’t this a corporate reference to the Jews?
And then few verses further 7:179, states "many are the jinns and men we have made for Hell, they have hearts they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like Cattle nay more misguided for they are heedless."
Again all Islamic expositors and their manuals say that it is the Jews that are being referred to here.
Not only as dogs, cattle but now donkeys as per sura 62:5 "the similitude of those who were charged with the Mosaic Law but who subsequently failed in those (obligations) is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes. Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the sings of Allah. And Allah guides not people who do wrong."
"As if they were affrighted asses", sura 74:50
"those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine" sura 5:60, godless and iniquitous as per Sura 2:59, 5:25,47; unjust and transgressors, Sura 5:45; hypocrites, 63:8; apostates, 9:30, 4:155, 171; polytheists 9:28,30. And they are the ones who corrupted and tampered with the Scriptures, 2:75ff, 4:46, and 3:78; worshipped their leaders as gods, sura 9:31; spread corruption on earth, 5:33,64.
How can respect of the other - meaning the non-Muslims - be achieved when the Qur’an depicts them with most humiliating terms?
Is it out of respect that the Qur’an describes the non-Muslims as profane; sura 9:28 "O ye who believe, truly the pagans (non Muslims) are profane so let them not after this year of theirs approach the sacred Mosque." Thus Mecca remains exclusively an Islamic city, non-Muslims barred.
The Qur’an declares the Christians have been declared as apostates for their belief in the divinity of Christ by the Qur’an. So, based on this, would it be appropriate for the USA to confiscate and censor all the Islamic books and arrest whosoever of the Muslims reiterates that? If the USA were to require Muslims to delete or abstain from publishing the verses of the Qur’an that declares Christians to be apostates, what would be the reaction of Muslims?
How would they describe the USA?
As stated above, the Qur’an declares the Jews to be monkeys and swine and that they worship Ezra … so would it be appropriate for the Jewish State to arrest Muslims with the charge of incitement of racial and religious hate and forbid them publishing and distributing Islamic books or the Qur’anic verses that despise the majority in the Jewish State?
How can the Muslims demand from others to respect Islam and their beliefs and their religious icons while the Qur’an commands the humiliation and the killing of non-Muslims for simply not embracing Islam as their religion, Sura 9:29?
The publishing of cartoon drawings has been regarded and taken as an affront to Islam, how would they describe the Qur’anic injunctions that incite Muslims towards hate and murdering the other, i.e. the non-Muslims?
Can his royal Majesty, the king of Saudi Arabia, state to Westerners generally and to the Danes particularly of whom it is required to respect Islam that all Muslims are required and commanded by Allah in the Qur’an to hate all the Jews and the Christians of the World?
"O ye who believe do not take the Jews and the Christians as your friends … 5:51
Who are these Jews and Christians that the Qur’an forbids the Muslims taking them as friends? Were they the Jews and the Christians of the time of the Prophet? Or are they the Jews and the Christians of every age and every generation past, present and the future?
If the application of this injunction was limited only to the time of Muhammad; then does that mean it is no longer effective and applicable for our time and generation?
But if it is effective now and today would that not mean it is to be seen as a direct incitement of hate towards the Jews and Christians?
Could it be then that because of this verse as a basic and fundamental factor the result is a very poor relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims?
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/04 @ 05:18 AM — (Reply)
Dear Brother,
i didnt see in any of your verses ,mentioned above that jesus said cleary that he is God.
i didnt see either that he said that he did the job for us in the sense that all christian are going to heaven becoze he did the job for them .
pls clarify this again.
Manal
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/04 @ 06:58 PM — (Reply)
sura 1:7 is referring to "on whom Allah has bestowed his wrath and those who have gone astray".
this verse refers to all who are not beleiving in one god and all the prophets including mihamed pbuh.
not necassary Jews and christians
Comment by — 2006/02/04 @ 07:06 PM — (Reply)
i respect jews and christianity, i respect bibles and all sent books , i respect and believe in all prophets including Jesus and Moses (pbuh)this is for all muslims with no exceptions .
Now , do you believe in MOHAMED (PBUH) do u beleive in Quraan ?do u beleive that the creator is only a one god who
He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him. (sura the unity)
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/04 @ 07:22 PM — (Reply)
in sura 7:176, "his similitude is that of a dog, if you attack him he lolls out his tongue or if you leave him alone he still lolls out his tongue that is the similitude of whose who reject our signs"?
7:175 says :175. "Relate to them the story of the man to whom We sent Our signs, but he passed them by: so Satan followed him up, and he went astray."
thus the dog here is SATAN .
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/04 @ 07:35 PM — (Reply)
7:179, states "many are the jinns and men we have made for Hell, they have hearts they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like Cattle nay more misguided for they are heedless."
Is this description about jews?, christians ? no it is about everyone who doesnt understand , does noy want to understand
Comment by manal— 2006/02/04 @ 07:56 PM — (Reply)
Manal, I am not writing in bold it's a feature of this blog, so please don't assume that I am yelling because of the bold text.
John 10 - He says I and the Father are One. A clear reference to His deity. As I said the Jews understood His claim to deity that is why they wanted to kill Him. In fact the word One (hen) Neuter, no masculine (heis) means one in essence or nature.
John 5:17 Again the Jews understood He was making Himself equal with God.
John 8:58 Jesus said "Before Abraham was I AM". Again to which the Jews understood completely what Jesus was saying. He repeated His claims several times. (YHWH)
John 5:23-24 Jesus claims the right to be worshipped as God and from it follows to dishonor Jesus is to dishonor God.
He asked for and accepted worship as God.
John 4:20-22, John 4:24, Matthew 8:2, John 9:35-39, Matthew 14:33, John 20:27-29
In Mark He was asked by the Sandhedrin if it was true that He was the Son of God He said "I AM". To which the Sanhedrin understanding that Jesus was making a claim to Deity called for His death. Jesus often used the same word to describe Himself (YHWH) that the Jews used to describe God. The two expression "Son of Man" and at the "right hand of power" are peculiar Hebrew expressions for Deity.
Matthew 27:43 shows that the leaders at the time understood exactly that Jesus was calling Himself God because they crucified Him and taunted Him.
Nathaneal, Paul, John the Baptist, the Apostle Peter, Thomas, Stephen all make references to Jesus' Deity.
Jesus claimed to forgive sins and is confronted by religious leaders for His supposed blasphemy. It is very clear in the Bible that Jesus made a claim to be divine.
Again I ask you what will satisfy you?
Jesus' death and resurrection accomplished many things. It was our substitution for our sin. (what I wrote about before)Matt. 20:28, Mark 10:45 His death was a ransom for all.
It provided redemption for our sin.
Read the whole book of Hebrews my friend.
It provided reconciliation with God. 2 Cor. 5:19
It satisfied God's wrath - The death of Christ averts God's wrath and enables Him to receive into HIs family those who place their faith in the One who satisfied Him. I John 2:2 and the basis of this is His shed blood. Rom. 3:25 (mentioned above)
There are other things His death and resurrection accomplished but here is the answer to your question about the benefit to the believer -
His death justifies us..that is makes us acceptable to God. To justify is to declare righteous. Rom. 5:9 is basis for our justification, it could never be about our good works, for God requires perfection which is impossible for man.
This effectively fulfills the Mosaic law. Rom. 10:4, Col. 2:14, 2 Cor. 3:7-11 cleansed us from sin I John 1:7-9
and the promise of eternal life spent with Him can be found in verses such as:
I John 5:12-13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God (Jesus) that you may know that you have eternal life.
Titus 3:5-6 and Jesus Himself John 3:15-16, 18 John 5:24, John 6:40,47,54 John 10:9,and 28. John 11:25, John 14:6
My friend you are increasing my faith in the truth of Jesus Christ and in the tenets of Christianity. It is good to remind myself of such promises and I appreciate it.
Can you openly question Islam like you question Christianity?
Here is something else on the value that Islam places on the Infidel.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/04 @ 08:15 PM — (Reply)
Then you must hold the radicals accountable. Respecting Jesus is not the same as believing in Him. I believe that Shakespeare wrote many works, but I don't worship him.
My friend I ask you to question Islam and it's teachings. You seem like a reasonable person but caught in a lie nonetheless. You have done nothing to convince me otherwise about Islam.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/04 @ 08:20 PM — (Reply)
I am very paient and can answer all comments line by line but i have one quesion before we proceed .
Do you believe that the Holy book of Quraan was sent by God or no ?
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/04 @ 11:48 PM — (Reply)
Belief in Islam means
Belief in One God
belief in all of God's messengers
belief in all the books sent down to prophets of God. These books include Torah and Gospel. Only the Holy Quran exists in its original form, however.
belief in the existence of angels
belief in the Day of Judgement, Life after Death, Heaven and Hell.
belief in the Divine Decree or Predestination, its good and its bad.
Muslims are those who declare that there is no deity except Allah (arabic for God) and that Muhammad is His messenger. They submit fully in obedience to Allah and mould their lives according to the teachings of the Holy Quran and prophet Muhammad
Comment by manal— 2006/02/05 @ 12:03 AM — (Reply)
In the holy quran if you read only Al-maeda verse , it will answer so many of your questions and till you the story of what is going in the world including the middle east problem
I talso will till you how islam looks to christians
for example read the following
Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
(Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #82)
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=5&translator=2#82
Comment by abo— 2006/02/05 @ 06:11 AM — (Reply)
If you complete the verse you will see more amazing stuff .
read more
82 Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
83 And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses.
84 "What cause can we have not to believe in Allah and the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the righteous?"
85 And for this their prayer hath Allah rewarded them with gardens, with rivers flowing underneath,- their eternal home. Such is the recompense of those who do good.
Comment by — 2006/02/05 @ 06:15 AM — (Reply)
Again,
The major differene here I will explain again is that I have certainty of my life with God when this one is over. Not because of what I have done but because of the finished work of Jesus.
Again if God's standard is perfection my obedience to Him is a consequence of my changed life and my belief in Him not a prerequisite. This is Chrisitianity.
We may agree to disagree.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/02/05 @ 06:42 AM — (Reply)
No.
From what I understand Muslims believe the Bible to be corrupted, this is convenient because it will help to make the argument for Islam's definition of Christ.
Manal your sincerity is admirable, but with respect I believe you to be sincerely wrong.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/02/05 @ 07:09 AM — (Reply)
The major differene here I will explain again is that I have certainty of my life with God when this one is over. Not because of what I have done but because of the finished work of Jesus.
Dear Brother , i just need to see one verse fromm the bible to say that JESUS SAID YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN COZ HE HAS DONE IT FOR You
If you choose a religion that has been bulit coz your phrophet has done the job for you then pls tell me where is justice here ? and what would stop all christians form commeting sins if they are not going to be evaluated based on there deeds ?
what sort of beleive is that ?
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/05 @ 09:28 PM — (Reply)
What if i prove to you that the Holy book of Quraan is from God ?
what would you do ?does it make a difference ?
i just wnat to make sure that my efforts are not trashed at the end .
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/05 @ 09:34 PM — (Reply)
few more questions to answer pls :
why do christinas fast ?
why do you do charity work ?
what do you go to the church every Sunday ?
pls answer me .
Comment by Mana — 2006/02/05 @ 09:47 PM — (Reply)
Hetler was a christian .Is in heaven now ?
Moseliny ,where do you think he is now ? in heaven coz jesus has done the job for him ?
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/05 @ 10:02 PM — (Reply)
"Again if God's standard is perfection my obedience to Him is a consequence of my changed life and my belief in Him not a prerequisite. This is Christianity"
Do you mean to say that God is not perfect ?
God in Christianity is not a prerequisite and that you can believe in him based on your changing life and hence, based on your moods, circumstances and situations???!!! So today I feel good about something in my life so I like God and believe in him but tomorrow I had a bumer day so I choose to be angry at God and have a fall out with him and choose not to believe in him??
is this christianity ?
I wish you answer all my questions .
So is believing in God in Christianity circumstantial??
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/05 @ 10:08 PM — (Reply)
THANK'S GOD TO WRITE THIS COMMENT
HOPE THAT EVERY DIFERRENCES HAS NO RUDE AND BLAME EACH OTHER.
I'M SURE THAT WE ARE A CIVILIZATION PEOPLE AS BASED ON OUR BELIEVE,NAMELY RELIGION.
ALLAH BLESSING US WITH HIS CHARITY AND ALL TREASURY THAT WE AS A MAN COULD NOT PREDICT EVEN THE DAY AFTER.
LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF,
I'M 37TH MALE, SOUTH EAST ASIAN CITIZEN WHERE THE MOST PEOPLE RELIGION IS ISLAM, AND I WAS BORN IN BOTH SIDES OF ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN SCOPE AREA IN MY COUNTY.
I BELIEVE FOR US AS A MUSLIM (WHERE ISLAM IS MY ONLY BELIEVING), EACH PERSON HAVE THEIR OWN DESTINY, IT COULD OPENED ONLY BY ALLAH SWT WHETHER THE TIME IS COME TO OPEN OR NOT.
I SUGGEST FOR MANAL,ABO,LET THE TIME DO THE RIGHT UNTILL THE ENLIGHTMENT OPEN UP THE HEART AND MIND OUR BROTHER WHO DOES NOT KNOW THE CORE OF ISLAM. LET THEM KNOW BY TIME WHO AS A REALLY OF MUKMIN AND WHO'S JUST ONLY A MUSLIM.
FOR OUR BROTHER, ISLAM IS NOT ONLY A PAPER TO READ, BUT SOME ACTION MUST DO IN ALL WORDS AND BEHAVIOR BASED ON HOLY QURAN AND HADITS.BEHIND THEM, THERE ARE MANY RULES AND GUIDELINES FOR EVERY HUMAN LIFE.SO, NOT ONLY BY READ BUT TRANSLATE AND INTERPRETING IT THEN DOING WELL. IF EVERY PEOPLE COULD FIND THE CORE OF HOLY QURAN (WITH DEEP MEANS AND NOT BY A PIECE OF CAKE) SO THEY WILL FIND THE TRUTH IS.
AS WE CAN SEE, QURAN IS MORE THAN A BOOK THAT EVER WRITE. FOR ANY PERSON WHO'S ONLY READ WITH NO KNOWLEDGE, THEN IT BECOMES A DANGEROUS PAPER FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ONLY KNOW JUST BY PIECES,BUT IF THERE IS ANOTHER PERSON WHO WANTS TO READ WITH ALL OF THE DEEPLY MEANING (ADDED WITH MORE KNOWLEDGES IN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS), THEY WILL FIND THE TRUTH.
THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY MAKE SOME EFFORT TO DEFEND OUR BELIEVE AS YOU CAN, AS I HAVE WROTE YOUR COMMENT SO FAR.MAY ALLAH SWT BLESSING US.
Comment by herman— 2006/02/05 @ 10:12 PM — (Reply)
I have given you a link as to why I believe the Quran is not a holy scripture, if you refuse to read it how can we have this conversation.
Christians fast and do good works out of gratitude for the finished work that Christ has done for us. Again this is a consequence of our belief not a prerequisite for our becoming Christians. We go to church because it is like a hospital for the sick. We recognize our need for God and meeting with others equips us for this life with God and with other human beings. Eph. 2:8-10
Jesus said if you love me you will obey me. (This describes the relationship again of our salvation being a consequence of our relationship and not a pre requisite. Jesus did not say "obey me and I will love you") The changed life is an evidence of this relationship, this was not evident in Hitler nor Mussolini. I do not believe that they were Christians. They may have made professions but it it clear that they were not.
Is this the same for suicide bombers?
No Manal. Christians believe that God is perfect and His standard is perfection. This is why we needed Christ in the first place. We also believe that God cannot allow sin into heaven. So when God looks upon us at the end of our life, if we have accepted what Jesus has done for us then God sees that our ledger is clean not because of what we have done but because Jesus has finished it for us.
I have given you clear answers from the Bible concerning this. I will pray for the Holy Spirit to make them clear to you. I am not sure you are reading them because they are quite clear.
Our faith is not based on our emotions, you are right they do change, but God is immutable, that is unchanging. So I cannnot base my faith on how I feel today or tomorrow. The Bible says that we are justified or made right with God based on our faith.
So is believing in God in Christianity circumstantial??
Yes and no. It's based on the circumstance of you believing that Jesus died and rose again and you placing your faith in Him alone. and NO because I believe in eternal security. There are many promises in the Bible that spell this out.
I think if I can clarify your question it would be this. Does becoming a Christian mean I can go and sin and do whatever I want. The answer is no, of course not. The book of Romans makes this clear that we do not have a license to sin that the grace of God may abound. As I said your changed life is an evidence, a consequence of becoming a Christian not a prerequisite.
The early Christians and Jewish Christians in the early church had to have this explained to them also. (Romans)
Herman: I have been enlightened. If you have peace with Allah because you pray and follow the five pillars go ahead. Do you have the peace that comes from knowing you will spend eternity with Him?
I do.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/02/06 @ 02:06 AM — (Reply)
This is an illustration of what I mean. Your faith is based on your actions and you still have no guarantee that you will be with God in the end. NO this is not for me. I will choose to spend eternal life with God.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/06 @ 02:09 AM — (Reply)
Also if you look at what Christ said to those around Him you will see that He was concerned about what was on the inside not the outside. The Jewish religious authorities supposedly followed all the rules and regulations but Jesus said this is like a white washed fence. It did nothing to change their heart. So I could pray five times a day and follow all the rules and rites etc. and it wouldn't mean a thing if my heart had not been changed.
Manal I will not have much time to answer you anymore because of my work. Again thank you for increasing my faith in Jesus Christ and in Chrisitianity.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/06 @ 02:13 AM — (Reply)
Another way of saying this is that Christians do not pray and do good works seeking God's approval. We have that approval because of what Jesus did so we do good works and the only condition is that we believe that Jesus and Jesus alone has saved us.
Capiche?.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/02/06 @ 02:33 AM — (Reply)
"God cannot allow sin into heaven"
How come Adam had a sin in heaven ?
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/06 @ 06:54 PM — (Reply)
what are you talking about?
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/06 @ 07:04 PM — (Reply)
" Jesus died and rose again"
1-your God is died ? who was able to make a god die ? it must be another god then.
2-your god is rose again? where ? and who rose him again ? it must be soemone more powerfull then your god to be able to rose him again .
Wake up my freind , your god is simply not a god , he is the prophet of god and the ONE AND ONLY ONE GOD (Allah) is the one who make ppl die and make revive them and raise them.
He is the creator of jesus , you and me and , the creator of the whole universe , the creator of your mind and heart, your soul and spirit .
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/06 @ 07:15 PM — (Reply)
Manal my friend and seeker of truth - Is it Christ's resurrection you wish to discuss?
Because I would be more than happy to share that with you. Many evidences historically, legally and biblically.
You sound frustrated my friend.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/06 @ 07:21 PM — (Reply)
My Friend,
Me too i have work and me too i m busy,dont retreive your self now , if you have faith in what you beleive you will have the time and god will give you the efforts and support
saying you dont want to continue means you gave up and u dnt have more to defend your faith .
what do you say about this :
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
Do you still gUarentee heaven .
Comment by MANAL — 2006/02/06 @ 08:36 PM — (Reply)
AFTER READING THE ABOVE VERSUS FROM mathew 7 12,22, and 23 .
Do you STILL have the peace that comes from knowing you will spend eternity with Him?
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/06 @ 08:39 PM — (Reply)
Correction :MATHEW 7 21, 22, 23
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/06 @ 08:40 PM — (Reply)
This is an illustration of what I mean. Your faith is based on your actions and you still have no guarantee that you will be with God in the end. NO this is not for me. I will choose to spend eternal life with God.
BIG MISTAKE ,
IF MY ACTIONS ARE GOOD , I AM IN HEAVEN (GARENTEED)
IF MY ACTIONS ARE BAD, ADN I DID NOT ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS THE I DESERV IT AND I AM IN HELL FOR SOMETIMES THEN I M IN HEAVEN ETERNITY COZ I BELIEVED IN ONE GOD AND MOHAMED (pbuh) the last messenger of god.(GARENTEED)
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/06 @ 08:45 PM — (Reply)
I'm beginning to get the impression that you are not really after the truth or that you are really trying to understand the real Islam (leave Muslims aside).
Because come on it doesn't really take much to see how many 'Western' intellects have chosen Islam or have written about it positively at the very least. When they are opting for ANY religion, faith or theology OTHER than Islam they are still spoken of highly but as soon as they 'go crazy' and think of Islam then they are termed stupid!
Richard Gere is a buddhist and everyone seems fine with that. On the contrary they say he is 'spiritual' and more serene.
Tom Cruise is a scientologist and he is respected and has not been ridiculed!
Imagine if Tom Cruise was to convert tomorrow to Islam what do u think your reaction would be?
Doesn't at least raise the question why did people choose Islam when they didn't need to?
someone as long ago as Kareem Abdul Jabbar for example the most famous American basketball player? What was missing in his life money, or fame or status or power? were he bribed ?
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/06 @ 09:13 PM — (Reply)
There are supposed to be 6616 verses in the Quraan.
WRONGGGGGGGGG
The Quraan verses are 6236.
Comment by — 2006/02/07 @ 12:27 AM — (Reply)
[I swear] by Heaven and the Tariq! And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? The Star Piercing [the darkness]! (Qur'an, 86:1-3)
Pulsars are the remains of extinguished stars which emit very powerful, pulse-like radio waves and which revolve very rapidly around their own axes. It has been calculated that there are more than 500 pulsars in the Milky Way, of which our Earth is a part.
The word "Tariq," name of the Sura 86, comes from the root "tarq," whose basic meaning is that of striking hard enough to produce a sound, or hitting. Bearing in mind the word's possible meaning as "beating," "striking hard," our attention may be being drawn in this sura to an important scientific fact. Before analysing this information, let us look at the other words employed in the verse to describe these stars. The term "alttariqi" in the above verse means a star that pierces the night, that pierces the darkness, born at night, piercing and moving on, beating, striking, or sharp star. Furthermore, the term "waal" draws attention to the things being sworn on-the heaven and the Tariq.
Through research carried out by Jocelyn Bell Burnell, at Cambridge University in 1967, a regular radio signal was identified. Until that time, however, it was not known that that there was a heavenly body that could be the source of regular pulse or beating rather like that of the heart. In 1967, however, astronomers stated that, as matter grows denser in the core as it revolves around its own axis, the star's magnetic field also grows stronger, and thus gives rise to a magnetic field at its poles 1 trillion times stronger than that of Earth. They realised that a body revolving so fast and with such a powerful magnetic field emits rays consisting of very powerful radio waves in a conic form at every revolution. Shortly afterwards, it was also realised that the source of these signals is the rapid revolution of neutron stars. These newly discovered neutron stars are known as "pulsars." These stars, which turn into pulsars through supernova explosions, are of the greatest mass, and are the brightest and fastest moving bodies in the universe. Some pulsars revolve 600 times a second.50
The word "pulsar" comes from the verb to pulse. According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the word means to pulsate, to beat. Encarta Dictionary defines it as to beat rhythmically, to move or throb with a strong regular rhythm. Again, according to the Encarta Dictionary, the word "pulsate," which comes from the same root, means to expand and contract with a strong regular beat.
Following that discovery, it was realised that the phenomenon described in the Qur'an as "tariq," beating, bore a great similarity to the neutron stars known as pulsars.
Neutron stars form as the nuclei of super giant stars collapse. The highly compressed and dense matter, in the form of a rapidly revolving sphere, entraps and squeezes most of the star's weight and magnetic field. The powerful magnetic field created by these rapidly revolving neutron stars has been shown to cause the emission of powerful radio waves observable on Earth.
In the third verse of Surat at-Tariq the term "alnnajmu alththaqibu," meaning piercing, piercing and moving on, or opening holes, indicates that Tariq is a bright star that pierces a hole in the darkness and moves on. The concept of the term "adraka" in the expression "And what will convey to you what the Tariq is?" refers to comprehension. Pulsars, formed through the compression of stars several times the size of the Sun, are among those celestial bodies that are hard to comprehend. The question in the verse emphasizes how hard it is to comprehend this beating star. (Allah knows best.)
As discussed, the stars described as Tariq in the Qur'an bear a close similarity to the pulsars described in the 20th century, and may reveal to us many scientific miracle of the Quraan.
what do you say ?
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/07 @ 01:44 AM — (Reply)
I never said Jesus didn't want us to obey, I said that obedience does not make you saved, but is an outpouring of your thanks to Him.
Faith = salvation + works NOT works + faith = salvation.
Our faith in Christ is what justifies us before God not our good works.
Correction :MATHEW 7 21, 22, 23
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/06 @ 11:40 PM
Ahhh but the Bible says no one is righteous no not one. It also says all our good works are but filthy rags. Go ahead they mean nothing unless your heart is changed. So work away try to reach God by being good...all the while God has reached down to you through Jesus Christ.
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/06 @ 11:45 PM
I think Manal has some friends posting for him...hahahahaha
Tom Cruise and Richard Gere are made fun of because they are out there. Guess you didn't see the recent Oprah Winfrey show huh.....
As far as what you call the truth..I will put it to you this way...When they teach treasury agents to recognize counterfeits do they show them counterfeits or the real thing? They show them the real thing, this way the fraud is easily recognized. I have found the real thing.
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/07 @ 12:13 AM
There are supposed to be 6616 verses in the Quraan.
WRONGGGGGGGGG
The Quraan verses are 6236.
Sorry forgot my calculator that day.
About this pulsar business..I am not sure what you are trying to say but the Bible also said the world was round.
Some questions about the Koran:
1. What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
3. The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).
4. Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
5. Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
4. When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
6. Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).
7. Is wine consumption good or bad?
1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/07 @ 05:56 PM — (Reply)
Yes it seems someone is posting messages on my name and is simply showing that you are already confused and you want to sonfuse the readers.
i pray for you to see the truth and get englighted one day .
May god bless you all
Manal
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/07 @ 06:51 PM — (Reply)
Manal it's obvious from the writing style and command of the English language that there is more than one writer here.
and I have answered your comments...when will you be enlightened? I pray soon. (all of you)
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/07 @ 06:56 PM — (Reply)
Manal #3
BIG MISTAKE ,
IF MY ACTIONS ARE GOOD , I AM IN HEAVEN (GARENTEED)
IF MY ACTIONS ARE BAD, ADN I DID NOT ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS THE I DESERV IT AND I AM IN HELL FOR SOMETIMES THEN I M IN HEAVEN ETERNITY COZ I BELIEVED IN ONE GOD AND MOHAMED (pbuh) the last messenger of god.(GARENTEED)
What is good enough? Do you know? Do you know when you die if you are good enough?
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/07 @ 07:41 PM — (Reply)
I think Manal has some friends posting for him...hahahahaha
Manal is a she not a he .
Comment by — 2006/02/07 @ 07:43 PM — (Reply)
I think Manal has some friends posting for him...hahahahaha
Manal is a she not a he .
Comment by — 2006/02/07 @ 07:44 PM — (Reply)
Manal #1
How am I trying to confuse someone by questioning the Quran? Are you allowed to question the Quran? What happens to you if you choose another religion? Are you not put to death. Why would Allah want someone to love him out of fear when they could choose to love Him out of thankfulness?
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/07 @ 07:44 PM — (Reply)
Yes i know what is good enough and yes we know when we die if we are good enough or not .
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/07 @ 07:47 PM — (Reply)
2.This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.
3. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
4. And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
5. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
8. Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.
9. Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!
10. In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
11. When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!"
12. Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.
The Cow 2 to 12 .
Without doubt it is the Book , is there any other book that gave that garantee form the very begining that it has no doubts ?
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/07 @ 07:57 PM — (Reply)
113. The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment
The cow 113.
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/07 @ 08:06 PM — (Reply)
65. If only the People of the Book had believed and been righteous, We should indeed have blotted out their iniquities and admitted them to gardens of bliss
(The table 65)
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/07 @ 08:18 PM — (Reply)
72.They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O people of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
74. Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
75. Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
76. Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."
The table 72to76
Comment by — 2006/02/07 @ 08:28 PM — (Reply)
82. Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
83. And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses.
84. "What cause can we have not to believe in Allah and the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the righteous?"
Table 82to84
Comment by — 2006/02/07 @ 08:32 PM — (Reply)
42. Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
43. "O Mary! worship Thy Lord devoutly: Prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down."
44. This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger.) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).
45. Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
46. "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
48. "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
Imran Family 42 to 48
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/07 @ 08:36 PM — (Reply)
49. "And (appoint him) an apostle to the people of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
50. "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
51. "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"
52. When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples: "We are Allah.s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
53. "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger. then write us down among those who bear witness."
54. And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
Imran Family 49to 55
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/07 @ 08:40 PM — (Reply)
59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
60. The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt
Imran fa,ily 59,60
Comment by — 2006/02/07 @ 08:41 PM — (Reply)
64. Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
Imran fAMILY 64
Comment by — 2006/02/07 @ 08:44 PM — (Reply)
My Friend ,
now if you want to know more pls bare with me and read to the end .
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/07 @ 11:59 PM — (Reply)
The atheistic scientist syas. "Ours is an 'expanding' universe. The galaxies are receding away from us at a faster and faster rate, and once they reach the speed of light1, we will not be able to see them anymore. We must construct bigger and better telescopes as quickly as possible to study the sights, if not we will miss the bus!"
"An unlettered Arab in the desert over 1400 years ago could never have had their knowledge of the 'big bang' and of the 'expanding universe,' could he?
"Well, then listen to what this illeterate Prophet uttered under inspiration.
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
Holy Quraan21.30
33. It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course
Holy Quraan21.33
Can't you see that the words "The Unbelievers" in the first quote above are specifically addressed to the men of science - the geographers, the astronomers, who, after having made amazing discoveries and conveyed these discoveries to mankind, still remain so 'BLIND' as not to 'SEE' its Author?
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/08 @ 12:10 AM — (Reply)
let me remind you that search as you may you will not find within the covers of the Holy Qur'an even the name of Muhummed's (pbuh) father or mother. You will not discover the names of his wives or the names of his daughters, nor the names of his beloved companions. Amazingly! though you will find a whole chapter dedicated to Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ (pbuh) ... Surat Maryam, or Mary, chapter 19 of the Holy Qur'an. Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned in this Book of God no less than twenty-five times, whereas the name of the Prophet (pbuh) only five times. Reason? Are Jesus and his mother more important than Muhummed and his mother (peace be upon them all)? "No! not at all" Then why this inordinate coverage? Simply because the integrity of Jesus and his mother (peace be upon them) was at stake. There were various false charges, insinuations and innuendoes against mother and son which had to be cleared. Hence the story of the annunciation, the immaculate conception and the birth of Jesus (pbuh) had to be recorded. Nobody ever questioned the genealogy of the Prophet of Islam at any time, therefore not a word was wasted in the whole Book about the Prophet's birth or parentage. The Qur'an is not a biography of Muhummed (pbuh)! This is difficult for the unbeliever to understand
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/08 @ 12:50 AM — (Reply)
In Christian theology, this simple, innocent word "Father" has acquired a novel meaning. He is, according to Christianity, the One Who BEGOT the son Jesus. you say "Jesus is the very God of very God, begotten of the Father, begotten NOT made." If words have any meaning, what does this mean? Of course it means what is says! God has many sons according to the Holy Bible. Adam, Israel, Ephraim, David, Solomon, etc ... But all these are metaphorical sons. God Almighty as the Creator and Cherisher is metaphorically the father of His every creature; every animal or human being: but Jesus (pbuh), the Christians say, is not like these. He was BEGOTTEN, not MADE! This according to Islam is the most abominable utterance, attributing to God an animal nature - the lower animal function of sex!
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/08 @ 01:05 AM — (Reply)
The scinetists said : "Well, billions of years ago primaeval matter in the sea began to generate protoplasm out of which came the amoeba; and out of that mire in the sea came all living things. In one word ALL LIFE came from the sea, i.e. Water!"
No man of learning, no philosopher or poet could ever have guessed the biological discovery fourteen centuries back, could he?"
"Well, then, you listen to this untutored son of the desert!"
"We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? "
Holy Quraan21,30
You still dont want to belive ?????
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/08 @ 01:27 AM — (Reply)
Many among us, non-Muslims, would like to find in the Qur’an strong confirmation and reassurance of the common belief that it is only small minority of Muslim radicals and fanatics, with no knowledge of the holy scripture, who call for extermination of all infidels in general and especially the Jews.
Our Islamic apologists say:
It is not Islam but some misguided people who misrepresent the peaceful majority of Muslims and misinterpret the Qur’an.
The quotation below represents such views, and it is also very typical for the Western academic world driven by the marxist agenda:
It has become as routine for terrorists to rationalize their insanity on the basis of “Islamic fundamentalism,” as it once was for aspiring dictators to blame their violent ambitions on Karl Marx. Some Americans may even believe this religious excuse for random violence, which causes understandable anxiety among the nation’s many Islamic friends at home and abroad (such as Turkey and Jordan).
Whenever their opponents point out those parts of the Qur’an, which call for killing of the Jews, it is countered by arguments of taking these verses out of context. Others point to some gruesome details in the Tanakh or the Bible as to prove that blood and terror were not absent from the Judeo-Christian tradition as well. Let’s look then at the original source, the Qur’an and try to remember the following:
Qur’an in Islamic beliefs is seen as exact words of Allah.
Qur’an is full of abrogated and abrogating verses and you have to know the real chronological order of these verses in order to know which are the only valid rules
It is very important to keep in mind that unlike the holy scripts in Judeo-Christian tradition the Holy Qur’an cannot be a subject to “interpretations” as NOONE can change the true meaning of the Lord’s words but Allah himself.
The Koran comprises of 114 suras (books), which are not collated in any chronological or sequential order and it includes many abrogated verses, called mansukh, and abrogating verses, nasikh; the latter cancel the former, rendering them invalid. Though they remain in the Koran and are deceptively quoted, for Western consumption, as though they still represented genuine Islamic beliefs. Of the Koran’s 114 suras (chapters), only 43 are without abrogated or abrogating verses. This fact is not widely known, and so unexpected that few Westerners are aware that significant segments of the Koran have been theologically annulled. Only the abrogating (the chronologically latest) verses apply as valid rules (here, the good Imams come handy to tell the believers what is in and what is out as most of the Muslims don’t know the real order of the holy book)
[16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.
[18:27] And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. There is none who can change His words.
Once we read through the Qur’anic verses in their chronological order it becomes more apparent that many issues and rules , which can be seen initially as contradictions, are in fact abrogated and abrogating verses
And so will the Jews and Christians be allowed to heaven?
Yes, according to this verse they should not fear a thing:
[2:62] Those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in god and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
Unfortunately good Lord changed his mighty mind in the last sura, where not only the polytheists but also all people of the book will certainly fry in eternal hell:
[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
[5.86] And (as for) those who disbelieve and reject Our communications (Islam), these are the companions of the flame.
And so hell is the only option for the Infidels- so it appears.
How should the Jews and Christians be treated if they try to convert the true believers - Muslims?
In the Cow (Surah 2) it’s OK to treat them with kindness – of course only until Allah orders otherwise.
[2:109] Many of the people of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers…. Forgive and be indulgent (toward them) until Allah gives command.
But in The Immunity the infidels are not so lucky: .
[9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah.
And finally it is in the very last of the suras where Allah classifies Infidels:
[5.60] Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.
One could only wonder what made Allah change his mind towards the disbelievers
The answer to this is fairly simple.
The more tolerant messages of Sura 2 (The Cow) reflect the historical situation of Mohammad during his early Medina period. Islam was still then only a minority religion and Mohammed and his companions were surrounded in Medina by non-Muslim majority, three Jewish and two Arab pagan tribes.
But when Islam became more and more powerful the tone of Allah’s messages changed.
And so the earlier Qur’an express tolerance not only to avoid destruction but also to find possible converts among the citizens of Medina.
After Muhammad settled in Medina the pagan tribes converted to Islam rather quickly and so he thought that the Jews would accept his teachings and convert to Islam as well.
To lure the Jews into his “new” religion Muhammad stated that his new followers’ fasting day would be on the 10th of the first Month (equivalent to the Jewish Day of Atonement).Also while praying he told his companions to face the same directions as the praying Jews.
It is important here to mention the fact that Mohammad had no idea that the direction chosen by the Jews was Jerusalem and sub-consequently Allah had never mentioned Jerusalem by its name in the whole book of Qur’an.
The Jews refused to submit to Islam, and Muhammad gave on them up only after 16 or 18 months. His initial respect to the Jews was replaced by anger and hate reflected clearly throughout the rest of suras.
To cut the links with the Jews, Mohammed abolished the one day of fast and returned to the old pagan fast, called Ramadan (one full month), Finally he ordered his followers to pray facing again the good old “pagan” Mecca.
The last two Suras of the Qur’an - The Immunity and The Dinner Table deal ultimately with Jews and with Christians and their place in the Islamic universe.
[9:29 ] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah.
This can be summarized as follows: The children of the book (Jews & Christians) had their chance but they rejected it and as the hell fire is their destiny. They are unclean ancestors of pigs and apes and it is Muslim duty to kill them when Allah says the time is right.
As soon as Mohammad felt secure among the new converts in Medina, he ordered political murders of the Jewish communities’ leaders and later the expulsion of all the Jews from Medina.
Finally, as his followers were conquering the Arab Peninsula all Jews and other ‘infidels” were progressively massacred and totally eradicated from the region.
The events described above had a tremendous impact on the all future relationship between the Muslims and the Jews as well as today’s political events related to the Palestinian-Jewish issue.
Also, as the latest events in Europe indicate, we can see the Sunday people are now on the Islamic hit list.
Jyllands-Posten cartoons would be overlooked by the Islamic mind controllers before 911 - but since the Holy Jihad aready started rolling…well according to the watchfull Islamist eyes Europe seems to be the weakest link.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/08 @ 03:04 AM — (Reply)
The holy quran gives every body the choice to worship. AND never said kill who converts. This idea of killing are marketed by the enemies of islam and some times of the fanatics who are not the real moslems. read this verse of quran ad you will know what it says for the alst 1400 years in Chapter 109 (Al-Kafiroon ) The Disbelievers
1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2 I worship not that which ye worship,
3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Comment by abo— 2006/02/11 @ 04:46 AM — (Reply)
for comments #125 read the following chapter from the quran to find the answer for all your questions
The holy quran gives every body the choice to worship. AND never said kill who converts. This idea of killing are marketed by the enemies of islam and some times of the fanatics who are not the real moslems. read this verse of quran ad you will know what it says for the alst 1400 years in Chapter 109 (Al-Kafiroon ) The Disbelievers
1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2 I worship not that which ye worship,
3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship,
6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.
thanks
Comment by abo— 2006/02/11 @ 05:20 AM — (Reply)
This does not contradict Christianity because we believe Jesus to be both fully God and fully Man.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/08 @ 03:11 AM — (Reply)
Concerning Hitler and Mussolini:
Yes, Hitler lived in a country which officially still acknowledged the Christian faith. So, at some occasions Hitler paid lip service to the Christianity because he still needed them and his plan of the destruction of the Jews had higher priority than the fight against the Christians. But it was his declared goal to destroy the Christian church as well. He sent many pastors into the concentration camps. He introduced a lot of anti-Christian legislation. He actively worked on the destruction of the Christian faith.
He killed many Christians also, why do you think the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem openly supported Hitler.
Which one of the Manals is a girl? #1 I think. Sorry.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/08 @ 03:16 AM — (Reply)
I guess Manals are the pod people...
Seriously, I think the thing that struck me the most was when(sorry, I've forgoten who) said that forgiveness means nothing unless you are in the position of power over another. Thus, if you are a hostage and forgive your captor, it is meaningless. I think the inference was that Christ's forgiveness of our sins was meaningless, as He was the one nailed to the cross, and physically was in the weaker position.He alowed himself to suffer for us;nevermind the fact that He could've ended the whole situation very badly for the Romans.
I think this is a beautiful illustration of the vicious nature of Islam. Those who are weak are meaningless.Their word may be ignored, they may be mistreated and abused.
I submit that the hostages taken by Islamic masked cowards and then murdered are in the true position of power.
In Christianity, even when we are persecuted, we pity and pray for our tormentors. It takes much more strengnth of spirit to forgive a transgression against you when you are NOT capable of turning the tables.
Comment by C-Mom— 2006/02/08 @ 04:31 AM — (Reply)
I want to kill all the non muslims who made pics of HOLLY PROPHET(P.B.U.H).They didnot know what mistake they had done.INSHAALLAH they will be punished by GOD on THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT.All the muslims pray for their guideness
Comment by nisa— 2006/02/08 @ 09:14 AM — (Reply)
Nisa thank you for reminding me why I would never want to be a part of Islam and why it must be exposed, Inshallah!
Manal, the geneology of Christ is important because it fulfills the prophesies of the Old Testament, not to somehow begoog off questions of Jesus birth. In fact Jesus fulfilled some 300 or so prophecies of the Old Testament.
The Quran is not a biography of Muhummed, so.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/08 @ 12:05 PM — (Reply)
How can we be 100% sure that Islam is the right religion?
>
>The answer to this question is quite lengthy. It is more the subject matter
>of an entire volume rather than the work of a few pages. Nevertheless, i
>will provide with some directives which will, if godd will ,enable you to
>realise the truth .
>
>Firstly, if we have to analyse the religions existing, not one of them has
>the universal appeal of Islam wherein every race, every nationality is
>accepted without prejudice. Secondly, not one of them appeals to the logic
>of man in the way Islam does, setting out the facts of life in such a
>manner which delights the rational mind. when we Look at Christianity, with its
>confusing belief of trinity, that three is one and one is three. Look at
>your Bible, yearly it is edited and changed to conform to the demands of
>the everchanging trends of mankind. What type of revelation is this?
>
>Then, we look at Judaism. One look at the structure of this religion is
>enough to show that it cannot be the true religion of God. Why? Because
>Judaism is a religion open only to a selected few. You have to be born a
>Jew in order to be a Jew. Conversion is possible, but only if they decide
>to accept you which is quite rare. There is no universal call in this
>religion. How can the religion that the Creator chose for his creation only
>cater for a selected few?
>
>Hinduism, with its complex systems of gods and godlings, idols, etc. The
>rationale mind rejects this. In fact, just take a look at their temples.
>The images of the deities are so horrific that it confounds the minds as to
>how one can worship such things.Similarly, one may look at any religion and you will definitely find
>it flawed, with the sole exception of Islam. so masterfully preserved are
>its teachings that this alone shows the hand of God behind it. The shining
>glory to erase any doubt is none other than the magnificence of the noble
>Qur’aan, the word of God!
>
>Muhamed [pbuh] said, ‘All of the prophets were given
>such miracles as inspired people to believe. And the miracle that I have
>been given is the Qur’aan.’ (Bukhari)
>
>What are those features of the Qur’aan which prove it to be the word of
>God? There are many but i shall refer only a few. The ultimate challenge
>which the Qur’aan has placed before mankind more than 1400 years ago ‘…and if you are
>in doubt of what we have revealed to our servant, produce one chapter
>comparable to it. Call upon your helpers besides God to assist you, if what
>you say is true.’ (Qur’aan 2:23)
>
>Needless to say, this challenge has not to this day been met. Many have
>tried all have met with failure, proving the divine origin of the Qur’aan.
>Then is pristine purity in which the Qur’aan has reached us. Not one word,
>not even a letter has been changed since its revelation. Then there are the
>many predictions of the Qur’aan which have turned exactly as predicted,
>pointing again to the divine imprint of such a being whose knowledge is all
>encompassing. Furthermore, how many scientific, medical and astronomical
>facts are mentioned in the Qur’aan, the knowledge of which was non-existent (i have shown you few examples before.)
>at the time of its revelation.
>
>These are but brief facts alluding to its divine origin. >We have hope that this will set your heart at rest.
>
It is only Allah who allows one to see the light.
Manal
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/08 @ 06:45 PM — (Reply)
WHAT I HAVE SEEN SO FAR from Elemer;s brother is that he is defending both Judaism and Christianity ,are you Both?do you believe in both?
what if i decide to convert to Judaism , am i allowed ?
Comment by — 2006/02/08 @ 06:49 PM — (Reply)
QUOTING "Nisa thank you for reminding me why I would never want to be a part of Islam and why it must be exposed, Inshallah!"
Inshallah is an Arabic word , are you Arab by any chance ?
Comment by — 2006/02/08 @ 06:53 PM — (Reply)
Why don't you start answering the questions I have posed about the Quran? (comment 103)
If you are open to spiritual truth you will see that the Quran has been abrogated so many times it leaves one dazed and confused (quoting led zeppelin here)
Then I suggest you stop cutting off heads and start talking to them.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/09 @ 02:32 AM — (Reply)
what if i decide to convert to Judaism , am i allowed ?
still awaiting an answer......
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/10 @ 06:50 PM — (Reply)
>Firstly, if we have to analyse the religions existing, not one of them has
>the universal appeal of Islam wherein every race, every nationality is
>accepted without prejudice.
It is too bad that the same cannot be said for women, who have no rights, no voice, and are regularly stoned, beaten, raped and murdered without retribution.
when we Look at Christianity, with its
>confusing belief of trinity, that three is one and one is three.
God is one, but he relates to man in three ways:Himself, His Son who was given up to forgive our sins, and the Holy Spirit, which is the voice of God. It is how he speaks to us, and moves our souls to Him. Man was endowed with free will by our Creator, and it is up to each of us to listen to the Holy Spirit.
Look at
>your Bible, yearly it is edited and changed to conform to the demands of
>the everchanging trends of mankind. What type of revelation is this?
It is not edited in its scripture and truth, but rather in the language of man, which is ever evolving.Thus the new translations. The Bible is not a changing document. It is ever the same.
Comment by C-Mom— 2006/02/09 @ 07:22 AM — (Reply)
Human - body soul spirit
Matter - gas solid liquid
Eggs - shell yolk white
God - Father, Son, Spirit
just a few analogies that might help you Manal
Comment by — 2006/02/09 @ 12:46 PM — (Reply)
Elmers Akhi
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/09 @ 03:38 PM — (Reply)
Manal #1
do you mean can a christian convert to judaism? Sure he won't be a christian but a jew. I have known a few jews who have converted to christianity.
still waiting on an answer about the quran
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/10 @ 07:04 PM — (Reply)
can you convert to either without being killed?
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/10 @ 07:05 PM — (Reply)
Comment by A Conservative Realist— 2006/02/10 @ 07:27 PM — (Reply)
Barry you may want to logoff before commenting.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/10 @ 07:34 PM — (Reply)
of course i can convert without being touched.
befor i comment about Quraan tell me first if i can be a jewish ? will they accept me ?
the asnwer is no a big no .
then we should keep judaism a side as it is not a religion for the univers .
so pls dont refer to this religion any more in our coversation and let us focus on Islam and christianity .
Fair enough ????
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/10 @ 11:31 PM — (Reply)
God is one, but he relates to man in three ways:
God is one without any BUTs...
he is One who does need to have a crusified son to forgive our sis. if Islam , you ask for forgiveness and u get it .
God is one without a holy spirit to talk to us , holy books , and prohets are talking to us instead. easy , straight forward and shows a complete and one god.
Comment by — 2006/02/10 @ 11:38 PM — (Reply)
God is the creator , who created everything , hence he is not like anything and any thing is not like him.
i d rather worship a god who isnt like anything instead of thinking that god is like an egg .
i know you are wise enough it is just that you have been taught the wrong way .
Now put aside what you have been taught and think logicaly .
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/10 @ 11:46 PM — (Reply)
The holy quran gives every body the choice to worship. AND never said kill who converts. This idea of killing are marketed by the enemies of islam and some times of the fanatics who are not the real moslems. read this verse of quran ad you will know what it says for the alst 1400 years in Chapter 109 (Al-Kafiroon ) The Disbelievers
1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2 I worship not that which ye worship,
3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Comment by abo— 2006/02/11 @ 04:23 AM — (Reply)
If cristians read the 19th verse of the holy quran, they will know exactly what islam says about Jesus and Mary Peace be upon them
Chapter 19 (Maryam ) Mary
16 Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.
17 She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.
18 She said: "I seek refuge from thee to ((Allah)) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."
19 He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.
20 She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
21 He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."
22 So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
23 And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"
24 But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
25 "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
26 "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to ((Allah)) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"
27 At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
28 "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
29 But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
30 He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
31 "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
32 "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
34 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.
35 It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.
36 Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.
37 But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!
38 How plainly will they see and hear, the Day that they will appear before Us! but the unjust today are in error manifest!
39 But warn them of the Day of Distress, when the matter will be determined: for (behold,) they are negligent and they do not believe!
40 It is We Who will inherit the earth, and all beings thereon: to Us will they all be returned.
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=19&translator=2&mac=&font_name=1&font_size=8
Comment by — 2006/02/11 @ 04:41 AM — (Reply)
Have the Leaders of America Lost Their Minds?
Imagine if Britain had reason to believe that one of the fugitive suspects in the subway bombings in the United Kingdom planned to secretly meet some relatives who would be at a crowded, public community Christian festival in Silver Spring Maryland.
Britain then used one of their attack Nuclear Subs in the Atlantic to target the Christian Festival at the time they thought the suspect would be there.
Imagine Britain then launched a missile with a powerful explosive warhead against a yearly Christian festival at the Silver Spring Maryland Community Center. Suppose that at least 18 Americans, including many at least 10 women and children, died in the explosions and perhaps between 50 and 100 innocent Americans endured terrible injuries.
How would Americans react?
I would think that every American would certainly react with outrage and anger against Britain for the deed, and rightfully so.
Yet, America has just committed an almost identical act against our staunch ally in the War on Terror: Pakistan, an ally nation where its leadership is doing everything it can to help America in the anti-terror war and going against much popular opinion to do it.
On Friday the 13th America made an air strike on a religious festival in the village of Damadola in the Bajaur region of Pakistan. Our bombs indiscriminately killed many innocent men, women and children in a nation that we desperately need as an ally in the War on Terror. Our attack left at least 18 killed and scores of innocents maimed and burned. Ten of the dead were women and children. As an ugly punctuation mark, the man we were trying to kill wasn’t even there!
Have American leaders lost their minds?
Immediately Americans such as Israel Firsters such as Sen. John McCain and Sen. Birch Bayh defended the attacks.
“This war on terror has no boundaries,” McCain, a former Navy combat pilot who challenged George W. Bush for the Republican presidential nomination in 2000, told CBS. “We have to go where these people are, and we have to take them out.”
Birch Bayh appearing on Wolf Blitzer’s CNN show said:
“Now, it’s a regrettable situation, but what else are we supposed to do?” Bayh asked rhetorically. “It’s like the Wild, Wild West out there. The Pakistani border [with Afghanistan is] a real problem.”
So Senator McCain, Sen. Bayh, if a murderer comes into a church where your own families happen to be — would you support sending a missile into that church and blowing them all to hell?
Senator McCain, Sen. Bayh you are fools, hypocritical evil fools who don’t even realize the depth of your own hollow souls.
Senators, you ask,”What else are we supposed to do?” Well a decent human being does not bomb and kill innocent men, women and children in an unmitigated act of terror to get one bad guy.
If Americans can’t understand the evil and stupidity of what occurred, and if they can’t honestly reflect on how they themselves would react if the situation were reversed, then God help them!
Not only was this U.S. sponsored terrorist act an illegal, cruel, and an utterly evil act, but it also shows a stupidity close to the point of insanity!
What is the difference in sending a missile to a public place to take out a criminal than say, Saddam Hussein rounding up a few dozen people who he thinks might have something to do with an assassination plot against him and killing them? In fact, that is essentially one of the charges constituting the U.S. orchestrated trial against Saddam Hussein. The big difference is that in this case Saddam didn’t bomb and burn and cripple and blind dozens of women and children.
If this brutal surprise attack on civilians in an allied nation was not a war crime… an act of murder and terrorism, then pray tell, what is it?
How can any American wonder why people hate us, hate America? How can we wonder why they call us a terrorist nation? How can we wonder why millions of people around the world are growing to hate Americans.
Fools like John McCain and the war criminal President he supports will eventually bring down terrible terror and wrath upon the heads of innocent Americans.
You know, I am often accused by government leaders and by media hacks of being one of the most evil men in America for simply standing up to the Jewish extremist Neocons that have completely perverted our American government, yet I have never physically harmed another human being.
The fact that this evil terrorist attack in Pakistan could happen in the name of America, shocks me even though I have long realized how far removed America has become from our forefather’s vision.
The additional fact that there is not general outrage in our press about this murderous, terrorist act should also show almost any caring and thinking American how alien the American establishment has become from the once deep goodness of our once great land.
I love my country, the goodness of the people of America, and it does me no good to stand up and forcefully condemn these actions of criminals in the U.S. Government. But somebody has to raise their voice, and it might as well be a man that you in the media and government label as immoral and evil.
You are always seeking to condemn and immoralize* me as a former member of the Ku Klux Klan. Yet when you compare my supposed crimes of thought to your acts of evil and murder, I am white as the January snow falling outside my window.
God Save America!
David Duke
*Immoralize — a word I suggest to mean the chronic portrayal of a person as immoral or evil
Thousands rally after US strike in Pakistan (from ABC News)
15 January 2006 11:36
Thousands of people are rallying across Pakistan to protest against a US air strike in a tribal region that killed at least 18 people.
The alleged target of the attack was al Qaeda’s number two, Ayman al Zawahri.
However, Pakistani officials say there is no evidence Osama bin Laden’s deputy was there when aircraft struck Damadola village in Bajaur tribal region, near the Afghan border, on Friday morning.
Up to 10,000 men, women and children rallied in the southern city of Karachi to denounce the attack in which several women and children were killed.
dear brothers and sister
the summary of what is going on the world led by usa with the hidden hand from israel is that "lets destroy what is islam all about"
Comment by abo— 2006/02/11 @ 05:39 AM — (Reply)
I know that you can convert to Judaism if you wish. As far as whether others are free to worship whatever they wish in Muslim countries read this.
Jews believe that everyone has a Jewish soul in them so therefore can be converted.
This discussion is open I/we will talk about anything I wish to.
I have also told you I don't believe in your holy quran and provided a link to the reasons why. We have gone around in circle Manal #1 and Manal #3.
The commenter did not say that God was an egg etc. He used this as an analogy to help you understand.
If you have peace with God through Islam go for it. I have told you I have found peace that passes understanding through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. You have done nothing to persuade me otherwise and have actually increased my faith while looking up answers to your questions.
If you follow that link you will see how people of other faiths are treated in Muslim countries. I have seen this first hand in Indonesia. I met a Christian there whose family was being persecuted by Muslims. He told me of other atrocities that were being carried out. In the Sudan Christians are being murdered by Muslims for the simple fact that they are Christians, so if what you say is true then this would have to stop. In Iran you cannot convert to Christianity without threat of death. These are not political situations but religious ones. Keep your religion of peace I want nothing to do with it other than to expose it for what it is.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/11 @ 05:52 AM — (Reply)
abo I have asked you to provide links instead of putting all that stuff on one comment. Please try to comply.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/11 @ 05:55 AM — (Reply)
See commment #125
Yes Abo as long as radical Muslims wish to destroy us and place us under Sharia law we will fight.
I expect nothing less from you Abo than your anti-Jewish rhetoric. Please refrain.
Comment by — 2006/02/11 @ 06:25 AM — (Reply)
last comment by Elmers brother
Comment by — 2006/02/11 @ 06:26 AM — (Reply)
Was this Manal #2 who commented at DFL? How many are there of you? Notice the not so eloquent English as is used here.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/11 @ 09:01 AM — (Reply)
the different IP addresses give it away also 83.110.109.20 (UAE) 212.93.193.76 (Saudia Arabia)
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/11 @ 09:32 AM — (Reply)
Concerning the rights of non muslims and those who convert to some other religion: for more go here.
"...to spare the blood (of the Zimmis), to be a symbol of humiliation of the infidels and as an insult and punishment to them, and as the Shafi`ites indicate, the Jizya is offered in exchange for residing in an Islamic country." Thus Ibn Qayyim adds, "Since the entire religion belongs to God, it aims at humiliating ungodliness and its followers, and insulting them. Imposing the Jizya on the followers of ungodliness and oppressing them is required by God's religion. The Qur'anic text hints at this meaning when it says: `until they give the tribute by force with humiliation.' (Qur'an 9:29). What contradicts this is leaving the infidels to enjoy their might and practice their religion as they wish so that they would have power and authority."
"How shall Allah guide those who reject faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Apostle was true and the clear sign had come unto them. But Allah guides not the people of unjust of such the reward is that on them rests the curse of Allah, of His angels and of all mankind in that will they dwell; nor will their penalty be lightened, nor respite be their lot, except for those that repent after that and make amends; for verily Allah is Oft-forging, Most Merciful (Qur'an 3:86-89).
Officially, Islamic law requires Muslims not to force Zimmis to embrace Islam. It is the duty of every Muslim, they hold, to manifest the virtues of Islam so that those who are non-Muslims will convert willingly after discovering its greatness and truth. Once a person becomes a Muslim, he cannot recant. If he does, he will be warned first, then he will be given three days to reconsider and repent. If he persists in his apostasy, his wife is required to divorce him, his property is confiscated, and his children are taken away from him. He is not allowed to remarry. Instead, he should be taken to court and sentenced to death. If he repents, he may return to his wife and children or remarry. According to the Hanifites an apostate female is not allowed to get married. She must spend time in meditation in order to return to Islam. If she does not repent or recant, she will not be sentenced to death, but she is to be persecuted, beaten and jailed until she dies. Other schools of Shari`a demand her death. The above punishment is prescribed in a Hadith recorded by the Bukhari: "It is reported by `Abaas ... that the messenger of Allah ... said, `Whosoever changes his religion (from Islam to any other faith), kill him."
In his book Shari`ah: The Islamic Law, Doi remarks, "The punishment by death in the case of Apostasy has been unanimously agreed upon by all the four schools of Islamic jurisprudence."
Zimmis cannot testify against Muslims. They can only testify against other Zimmis or Musta'min. Their oaths are not considered valid in an Islamic court. According to the Shari`a, a Zimmi is not even qualified to be under oath. Muraghi states bluntly, "The testimony of a Zimmi is not accepted because Allah - may He be exalted - said: `God will not let the infidels (kafir) have an upper hand over the believers'
non-Muslims are not regarded as citizens by any Islamic state, even if they are original natives of the land. To say otherwise is to conceal the truth. Justice and equality require that any Christian Pakistani, Melanesian, Turk, or Arab be treated as any other citizen of his own country. He deserves to enjoy the same privileges of citizenship regardless of religious affiliation. To claim that Islam is the true religion and to accuse other religions of infidelity is a social, religious and legal offense against the People of the Book.
Christians believe that their religion is the true religion of God and Islam is not. Does that mean that Great Britain, which is headed by a Queen, the head of the Anglican Church, should treat its Muslim subjects as a second class? Moreover, why do Muslims in the West enjoy all freedoms allotted to all citizens of these lands, while Muslim countries do not allow native Christians the same freedom? Muslims in the West build mosques, schools, and educational centers and have access to the media without any restriction. They publicly advertise their activities and are allowed to distribute their Islamic materials freely, while native Christians of any Islamic country are not allowed to do so. Why are Christians in the West allowed to embrace any religion they wish without persecution while a person who chooses to convert to another religion in any Islamic country, is considered an apostate and must be killed if he persists in his apostasy? These questions and others are left for readers to ponder.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/11 @ 01:33 PM — (Reply)
Comment by A Conservative Realist— 2006/02/11 @ 04:04 PM — (Reply)
since you already said that "
"I have told you I have found peace that passes understanding through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. You have done nothing to persuade me otherwise and have actually increased my faith while looking up answers to your questions."
Then i have nothing more to add other then
Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2. I worship not that which ye worship,
3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. To you be your Way, and to me mine.
I am out of this conversation .
Manal from UAE .
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/11 @ 07:15 PM — (Reply)
God Bless you all!
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/12 @ 03:54 AM — (Reply)
"Don't give that which is holy to the dogs, neither throw your pearls before the pigs, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. (WEB)
Matthew 7:6
Comment by — 2006/02/12 @ 04:02 AM — (Reply)
The Quran on Human Embryonic Development:
In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development:
We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... 1 (Quran, 23:12-14)
Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.
In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two, Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.
The second meaning of the word alaqah is “suspended thing.” suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother.
The third meaning of the word alaqah is “blood clot.” We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage Also during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week. Thus, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.
So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.
The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance.” If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.
How could Muhammad have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad ). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract
In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God
Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question: “Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the word of God?” He replied: “I find no difficulty in accepting this
Comment by — 2006/02/13 @ 01:52 AM — (Reply)
The Bible also speaks of God knowing us while we were being formed in our mothers womb.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/13 @ 01:15 PM — (Reply)
This is not to compare it with the bibal but to prove that Quraan is God's words
Comment by — 2006/02/13 @ 08:15 PM — (Reply)
I can give you most convincing proofs for the Bible. For your efforts I direct you here.
Josh Mcdowell's book Evidence that Demands a Verdict will alos help show you why Chrisitians believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/14 @ 02:03 AM — (Reply)
Again i m not comparing the Quraan with the bible, simply coz part of our beleives as muslims is to beleive in all gods books .
But why dont you believ in Quraan , i gave u a small sign to say that it is from God, as no one on earth by the time Mohammes pbuh was sent to the whole univers could have described the human being creation as mentionned in the verses i mentionned before .
If you want , i can show you many more examples .
I beg you to open your eyes and heart and put your learnings a side and be objective .
I m trying hard to show you the rught way to heaven .
Manal
Comment by — 2006/02/14 @ 07:14 PM — (Reply)
The question comes down to who do you say that Jesus is? That is the question He asked Peter? Peter said some say you are Elijah (a prophet..just what you believe) but when Jesus said to Peter "Who do you say that I am?" Peter answered "You are the Christ, the Son of God"....Jesus didn't correct Peter, didn't say no you've got it wrong....
Manal #??? whichever one you are Jesus wants to free you from Islam, please let Him.
Comment by Elmers Brother— 2006/02/14 @ 07:22 PM — (Reply)
and if you were to compare the Bible to the Quran which I encourage you to do there is a STARK contrast my friend.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/14 @ 07:25 PM — (Reply)
in my country they have banned the linkes u provided , ist is possible to copy few info for me and past it in here ?
Comment by — 2006/02/15 @ 01:43 AM — (Reply)
Many non-Muslims, when they think about Islam, picture religious fanatics on camels with a sword in one hand and a Qur'an in the other. This myth, which was made popular in Europe during the Crusades, is totally baseless. First of all, the Holy Qur'an clearly says "Let there be no compulsion in religion". In addition to this, Islam teaches that a person's faith must be pure and sincere, so it is certainly not something that can be forced on someone. In debunking the myth that Islam was "spread by the sword", the (non-Muslim) historian De Lacy O' Leary wrote: "History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted." (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.). It should also be known that Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 800 years. During this time, and up to when they were finally forced out, the non-Muslims there were alive and flourishing. Additionally, Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries. Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan all have Christian and/or Jewish populations. If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long in the middle of the Islamic Empire? Additionally, if one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam from Spain and Morocco in the West to India and China in the East, one would realize that they were far too few to force people to be members of a religion against their will. Additionally, the great empire and civilization established by the Muslims had great staying power -- its citizens were proud to be part of it.
The spread of Islam stands in contrast to the actions of the followers of Christianity, who since the time of the Emperor Constantine have made liberal use of the sword - often basing their conduct on Biblical verses. This was especially true of the colonization of South America and Africa, where native peoples were systematically wiped-out or forced to convert. It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic Empire, instead of destroying the religion, they adopted it. This is a unique occurrence in history - the conquerors adopting the religion of the conquered! Since they were the victors, they certainly could not have been forced to become Muslims! Ask any of the over one billion Muslims alive in the world today whether they were forced! The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia --- and there were never any battles fought there! So where was the sword? How could someone be forced to adhere to a spiritually rewarding and demanding religion like Islam?
Comment by — 2006/02/17 @ 07:18 PM — (Reply)
The Quran mentions it as the highest quality of a Muslim:
"The most honorable among you in the sight of God is the one who is most God-conscious." (49:13)
Humility, modesty, control of passions and desires, truthfulness, integrity, patience, stead- fastness, and fulfilling one's promises are moral values which are emphasized again and again in the Quran. We read in the Quran:
"And God loves those who are firm and steadfast". (3:146)
"And vie with one another to attain to your Sustainer's forgiveness and to a Paradise as vast as the heavens and the earth, which awaits the God- conscious, who spend for poor-due in time of plenty and in time of hardship, and restrain their anger, and pardon their fellow men, for God loves those who do good". (3:133-134)
"Establish regular prayer, enjoin what is just, and forbid what is wrong; and bear patiently whatever may befall you; for this is true constancy. And do not swell your cheek (with pride) at men, nor walk in insolence on the earth, for God does not love any man proud and boastful. And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; for the harshest of sounds, indeed is the braying of the ass". (31:18-19)
In a way which summarizes the moral behavior of a Muslim, the Prophet (PBUH) said :
My Sustainer has given me nine commands: to remain conscious of God, whether in private or in public; to speak justly, whether angry or pleased; to show moderation both when poor and when rich, to reunite friendship with those who have broken off with me; to give to him who refuses me; that my silence should be occupied with thought; that my looking should be an admonition; and that I should command what is right.
Social Responsibilities:
The teachings of Islam concerning social responsibilities are based on kindness and consideration of others. Since a broad injunction to be kind is likely to be ignored in specific situations, Islam lays emphasis on specific acts of kindness and defines the responsibilities and rights of various relationships. In a widening circle of relationship, then, our first obligation is to our immediate -family parent,s husband or wife and children, then to other relatives! Neighbors, friends and acquaintances, orphans and widows, the needy of the community, our fellow Muslims, all our fellow human beings and animals.
Parents:
Respect and care for parents are very much stressed in the Islamic teaching and are a very important part of a Muslims expression of faith.
"Your Sustainer has decreed that you worship none but Him, and that you be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in your lifetime, do not say to them a word of contempt nor repel them, but address them in terms of honor. And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility and say: my Sustainer! Bestow' on them Your mercy, even as they cherished me in childhood". (l7: 23-24)
Other Relatives:
And render to the relatives their due rights, as (also) to those in need, and to the traveller; and do not squander your wealth in the manner of a spendthrift. (17:26)
Neighbours:
The Prophet (PBUH) has said:
He is not a believer who eats his fill when his neighbor beside him is hungry; and: He does not believe whose neighborsare not safe from his injurious conduct.
Actually, according to the Quran and Sunnah a Muslim has to discharge his moral responsibility not only to his parents, relatives and neighbors but to the entire mankind animals and trees and plants. For example, hunting of birds and animals for the sake of game is not permitted .Similarly cutting trees and plants which yield fruit is forbidden unless there is a very pressing need for it.
Thus, on the basic moral characteristics, Islam builds a higher system of morality by virtue of which mankind can realize its greatest potential. Islam purifies the soul from self- seeking egotism, tyranny, wantonness and indiscipline .It creates God-conscious men, devoted to their ideals possessed of piety, abstinence and discipline and uncompromising with falsehood. It induces feelings of moral responsibility and fosters the capacity for self-control. Islam generates kindness, generosity, mercy, sympathy, peace, disinterested good will, scrupulous fairness and truthfulness towards all creation in all situations. It nourishes noble qualities from which only good ma
Comment by manal— 2006/02/17 @ 11:26 PM — (Reply)
Many important elements are common between Islam and Christianity. Muslims and Christians share many similar beliefs, values, moral injunctions and principles of behavior. The fundamental difference between the two faiths concerns the nature and role of Jesus.
In Islam `Isa Maseeh-Jesus the Messiah, God's peace and blessings be on him - is one of the greatest of the prophets whom Muslims hold in very deep love and respect. The Qur'an confirms that Jesus was born of a virgin mother (Maryam) through the same Power which brought Adam into being without a father, and that by God's permission during his prophethood he wrought many compelling miracles among his people. He was given the power to speak coherently in infancy, to heal the sick, to raise the dead, and to reach the hearts of men by the words which God revealed to him. Finally, when he was in danger of being killed by his own people, God raised him up to himself without his experiencing death (Holy Qur'an 4:157-158 and 3:55). 10 We cite here some passages from the Qur'an relating to Jesus' life and mission:
Comment by manal— 2006/02/17 @ 11:31 PM — (Reply)
"Behold, the angels said, `O Mary! Lo, God gives thee glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto God). He will speak to men in his cradle and in his manhood, and he will be of the righteous.' She said, My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has touched me?He (the angel) said,`Thus. God creates what He wills. If He decrees a thing, He says unto it only "Be" and it is. And He will teach him the Scripture and the wisdom, and the Taurat and the Injeel. 11 And He will make him a messenger to the Children of Israel, (saying): "Lo, I come to you with a sign from your Lord. Lo, I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird by God's leave. I heal him who was born blind and the leper, and I raise the dead, by God's leave. And I announce to you what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Lo, herein verily is a sign for, you if you are indeed believers. And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Taurat, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden to you. I come to you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to God and obey me. Verily, God is my Lord and your Lord,so worship Him. That is a straight path." (3:45-51)
" Verily, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him `Be' and he was. (3:59)
" And for their saying, `We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, God's Messenger.' They did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared so to them; and indeed, those who disagree concerning it are in doubt about it. They have Knowledge concerning it except the pursuit of a conjecture; and assuredly they did not kill him. Nay, God raised him up unto Himself. And God is Mighty, Wise." (4:157-158)
Then what about Christianity's claim that Jesus is the Son of God? In order to answer this question we must deal with two fundamental issues:
(1) Could the Exalted Creator and Lord of the universe in fact have a Son, and
(2) is it possible that Jesus himself could have claimed and actually did claim to be God's Son?
Comment by manal— 2006/02/17 @ 11:32 PM — (Reply)
CONTRADICTION :
Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)
How many fighting men were found in Judah?
(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:
(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:
(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
(a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:
(b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
(b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
(b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
(a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:
(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
(a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
How many were the children of Zattu?
(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:
(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
How many were the children of Azgad?
(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
How many were the children of Adin?
(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)
How many were the children of Hashum?
(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)
How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:2
(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
(a) 29,818 (Ezra)
(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)
How many singers accompanied the assembly?
(a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)
What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?
(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
(b) No (Joshua 15:63)
Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)
Jesus descended from which son of David?
(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)
Who was the father of Shealtiel?
(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)
Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
Who was the father of Uzziah?
(a) Joram (Matthew 1:
(b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
Who as the father of Jechoniah?
(a) Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
(b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
(b) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
Who was the father of Shelah?
(a) Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
(b) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
(a) Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
(b) No(John 1:19-21)
Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?
(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
(a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.”
(b) Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.”
How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
(a) By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
(b) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
(b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?
(a) Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.”
(b) No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”
Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
(a) Yes(Mark6:
(b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
(a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
(b) No (Luke 9:9)
Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
(a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
(b) No (John 1:32,33)
Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
(a) Yes (John 1:32, 33)
(b) No (Matthew 11:2)
According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
(a) “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)
(b) “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)
When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
(a) Yes (Matthew 21:12)
(b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).
The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
(a) Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
(b) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)
Did Judas kiss Jesus?
(a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
(b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)
What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?
(a) “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:3.
(b) “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.
Did Jesus bear his own cross?
(a) Yes (John 19:17)
(b) No (Matthew 27:31-32)
Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
(a) Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-3
(b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)
Did Jesus say anything secretly?
(a) No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20)
(b) Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)
Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
(a) On the cross (Mark 15:23)
(b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)
The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
(a) Yes (Mark 15:32)
(b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)
Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
(a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)
(b) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17)
When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
(a) Yes(Acts9:7)
(b) No(Acts22:9)
When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
(a) Yes (Acts 26:14)
(b) No (Acts 9:7)
Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?
(a) Yes (Acts 26:16-1
(b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)
When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?
(a) Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
(b) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:
How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?
(a) Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)
(b) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)
What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
(a) He bought a field (Acts 1: 1
(b) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)
How did Judas die?
(a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
(b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:1
Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?
(a) Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:
(b) Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)
Who is a ransom for whom?
(a) “The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... “(I Timothy 2:5-6)
(b) “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:1
Is the law of Moses useful?
(a) Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2 Timothy 3:16)
(b) No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:1
What was the exact wording on the cross?
(a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37)
(b) “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)
(c) “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:3
(d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19)
Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
(a) Yes (Matthew 14:5)
(b) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)
Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
(a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
(b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16)
Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collector’s office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
(a) Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
(b) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)
Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
(a) After (Mark 14:12-17)
(b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:2. When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)
Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
(a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
(b) No. (John 12:27)
In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did ‘he move away from his disciples to pray?
(a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
(b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)
Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?
(a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
(b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)
What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
(a) “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47)
(b) “Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39)
When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? ” in what language did he speak?
(a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi …..“(Matthew 27:46)
(b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi ….. “(Mark 15:34)
According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
(a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46)
(b) "It is finished" (John 19:30).
When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?
(a) Yes (Matthew 8:5)
(b) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)
(a) Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
(b) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
(a) God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
(b) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)
Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
(a) No (John 3:13)
(b) Yes. “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11)
Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
(a) Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
(b) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)
Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
(a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
(b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)” (Mark 16: 1)
When did the women buy the spices?
(a) After “the Sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1)
(b) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment” (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)
At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
(a) “Toward the dawn” (Matthew 28: 1)
(b) “When the sun had risen” (Mark 16:2)
What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
(a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
(b) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
(c) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)
A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
(a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb” (Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1)
(b) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body?
(a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe” (Mark 16:5). “Two men ... in dazzling apparel” later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
(b) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him” (John 20:2)
When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?
(a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
(b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him “Teacher.” Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me...” (John 20:11 to 17)
What was Jesus’ instruction for his disciples?
(a) “Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me” (Matthew 2 8: 10)
(b) “Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” (John 20:17)
When did the disciples return to Galilee?
(a) Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee “some doubted” (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
(b) After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high” (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them “during forty days” (Acts 1:3), and “charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... “(Acts 1:4)
To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
(a) “To the Ishmaelites” (Genesis 37:2
(b) “To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh” (Genesis 37:36)
Who brought Joseph to Egypt?
(a) The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then “took Joseph to Egypt” (Genesis 37:2
(b) “The Midianites had sold him in Egypt” (Genesis 37:36)
(c) Joseph said to his brothers “I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt” (Genesis 45:4)
Does God change his mind?
(a) Yes. “The word of the Lord came to Samuel: “I repent that I have made Saul King...” (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
(b) No. God “will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent” (I Samuel 15:29)
(c) Yes. “And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel” (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:
i. “The Lord was sorry that he made man” (Genesis 6:6)
“I am sorry that I have made them” (Genesis 6:7)
ii. “And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people” (Exodus 32:14).
iii. (Lots of other such references).
The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:
(a) Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
(b) The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.
Who killed Goliath?
(a) David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
(b) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
Who killed Saul?
(a) “Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6)
(b) An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)
Does every man sin?
(a) Yes. “There is no man who does not sin” (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
(b) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. “Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). “We should be called children of God; and so we are” (I John 3: 1). “He who loves is born of God” (I John 4:7). “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God” (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! “If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (I John 1:
Who will bear whose burden?
(a) “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2)
(b) “Each man will have to bear his own load” (Galatians 6:5)
How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
(a) Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
(b) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
(a) After his baptism, “the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days ... (Mark 1:12-13)
(b) Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)
Was baby Jesus’ life threatened in Jerusalem?
(a) Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
(b) No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?
(a) They worshipped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God” (Matthew 14:33)
(b) “They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened” (Mark 6:51-52)
ANY ANSWERS???
MANAL.
Comment by MANAL— 2006/02/19 @ 12:08 AM — (Reply)
Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth, as a long hind and a graceful doe, let her breasts satisfy you at all times."
Proverbs 5:18-19
"Your stature is like a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I said, 'I will climb the palm tree. I will take hold of its fruit stalks.' Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine and the fragrance of your breath like apples."
Song of Solomon 7:7-8
"There were two women, the daughters of one mother; and they played the harlot in Egypt. They played the harlot in their youth; there their breasts were pressed, and there their virgin bosom was handled.... she lusted after her lovers... and she bestowed her harlotries on them, all of whom were the choicest men of Assyria.... for in her youth men had lain with her, and they handled her virgin bosom and poured out their lust on her.... And she lusted after their paramours, whose flesh is like the flesh of donkeys and whose issue is like the issue of horses."
Ezekiel 23:1-20
Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses." (Ezekiel 23: 19-21)
"and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of stallions." (Ezekiel 23: 21, NRSV)
Eat Human Feces!
"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them." (Ezekiel 4:12-13)
"Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame. And I will cast abominable filth upon thee, and make the vile, and will set thee as gazingstock." (Nahum 3:5-6)
"Look, I am against you!- declares Yahweh Saboath- I shall lift your skirts as high as your face and show your nakedness to the nations, your shame to the kingdoms. I shall pelt you with filth." (Nahum 3:6, The New Jerusalem Bible)
"Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls." (Micah 1:
As you know, there is even more thn these hot scenes in yhe Bible.
Do you realy teach you Daughter and Sons these thing?
IS THIS THE LANGUAGE OF YOUR GOD?
Comment by MANAL — 2006/02/19 @ 12:10 AM — (Reply)
Deut. 25:11]
When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall have not pity.
this is the woman in the bible
Comment by manal — 2006/02/19 @ 12:14 AM — (Reply)
women are no good and not clean according to the bible
THE REASON BEHIND PAINS OF DELIVERY
[Gen 3:16]
God said to Eve when she tempted Adam, "I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing, in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you.
MENSES IN THE BIBLE
[Levi. 15:19]
When a woman has a discharge of blood which in her regular discharge from her body, she shall be apart seven days. And WHOSOEVER TOUCHES HER SHALL BE UNCLEAN until the evening. And every thing that she lies upon in her SEPARATION shall be unclean. Every thing also that SHE SITS UPON SHALL BE UNCLEAN. And whosoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening. And whosoever touches anything THAT SHE SAT UPON SHALL WASH HIS CLOTHES, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
And if it be on her bed, or any thing whereon she sits when he touches it: he SHALL BE UNCLEAN UNTIL THE EVENING. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him: he shall be unclean seven days, and all the bed WHEREON SHE LIES SHALL BE UNCLEAN.
And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her SEPARATION: All the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her SEPARATION, she shall be unclean. Every bed whereon she lies all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her SEPARATION, and whatsoever she sits upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her SEPARATION.
And WHOSOEVER TOUCHES THOSE THINGS SHALL BE UNCLEAN and shall wash his clothes and bathes himself in water, and he BE UNCLEAN UNTIL THE EVENING. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest to the door of the meeting tent.
[Levi. 12:2]
If a woman conceives, and bears a MALE CHILD, then she shall be unclean seven days.. But if she bears a FEMALE CHILD then she shall be unclean two weeks.
WOMAN IS NOT THE GLORY OF GOD
[1 Corin. 11:7]
For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man, for man was not made for woman, but woman from man, neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
REMAIN SILENCE!
[1 Tim 2:11-14]
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
SILENCE IN CHURCHES
[1 Corin 14:34]
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to
speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
WOMAN IS EVIL !
[Zech. 5:7]
The leaden cover was lifted, there was a woman sitting, and he (the angel) said: this is wickedness.
Why the Bible is cruel with Women?
Comment by manal— 2006/02/19 @ 12:16 AM — (Reply)
who incited to count the figthing men of isreal ?
1- God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)-"Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah."
2-Satan did (I Chronicles 21:1) Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.
which one to believe?
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/19 @ 10:18 PM — (Reply)
You must really try harder than this. The answer to these supposed contradictions can be found here.
As far as how women are treated, you don't see Christians burying their wives and stoning them do you?
And if you are not allowed to visit those links because your government bans them and you are not allowed to question your faith then I suggest that this is one more reason to stay a Christian.
Here is the answer to one.
1. Does God incite David to conduct the census of his people (2 Samuel 4:1), or does Satan (1 Chronicles 21:1)?
(Category: misunderstood how God works in history)
This seems an apparent discrepancy unless of course both statements are true. It was towards the end of David's reign, and David was looking back over his brilliant conquests, which had brought the Canaanite, Syrian, and Phoenician kingdoms into a state of vassalage and dependency on Israel. He had an attitude of pride and self-admiration for his achievements, and was thinking more in terms of armaments and troops than in terms of the mercies of God.
The Lord therefore decided that it was time that David be brought to his knees, where he would once again be cast back onto the mercy of God. So he let him go ahead with his census, in order to find out just how much good it would do him, as the only thing this census would accomplish would be to inflate the national ego (intimated in Joab's warning against carrying out the census in 1 Chronicles 21:3). As soon as the numbering was completed, God intended to chasten the nation with a disastrous plague which would bring about an enormous loss of life (in fact the lives of 70,000 Israelites according to 2 Samuel 24:15).
What about Satan? Why would he get himself involved in this affair (according to 1 Chronicles 21:1) if God had already prompted David to commit the folly he had in mind? It seems his reasons were entirely malicious, knowing that a census would displease the Lord (1 Chronicles 21:7-8), and so he also incited David to carry it through.
Yet this is nothing new, for there are a number of other occurrences in the Bible where both the Lord and Satan were involved in soul-searching testings and trials:
In the book of Job, chapters one and two we find a challenge to Satan from God allowing Satan to bring upon Job his calamities. God's purpose was to purify Job's faith, and to strengthen his character by means of discipline through adversity, whereas Satan's purpose was purely malicious, wishing Job as much harm as possible so that he would recant his faith in his God.
Similarly both God and Satan are involved in the sufferings of persecuted Christians according to 1 Peter 4:19 and 5:8. God's purpose is to strengthen their faith and to enable them to share in the sufferings of Christ in this life, that they may rejoice with Him in the glories of heaven to come (1 Peter 4:13-14), whereas Satan's purpose is to 'devour' them (1 Peter 5:8), or rather to draw them into self-pity and bitterness, and down to his level.
Both God and Satan allowed Jesus the three temptations during his ministry on earth. God's purpose for these temptations was for him to triumph completely over the very tempter who had lured the first Adam to his fall, whereas Satan's purpose was to deflect the saviour from his messianic mission.
In the case of Peter's three denials of Jesus in the court of the high priest, it was Jesus himself who points out the purposes of both parties involvement when he says in Luke 22:31-32, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."
And finally the crucifixion itself bears out yet another example where both God and Satan are involved. Satan exposed his purpose when he had the heart of Judas filled with treachery and hate (John 13:27), causing him to betray Jesus. The Lord's reasoning behind the crucifixion, however, was that Jesus, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world should give his life as a ransom for many, so that once again sinful man could relish in the relationship lost at the very beginning, in the garden of Eden, and thereby enter into a relationship which is now eternal.
Thus we have five other examples where both the Lord and Satan were involved together though with entirely different motives. Satan's motive in all these examples, including the census by David was driven by malicious intent, while the Lord in all these cases showed an entirely different motive. His was a benevolent motive with a view to eventual victory, while simultaneously increasing the usefulness of the person tested. In every case Satan's success was limited and transient; while in the end God's purpose was well served furthering His cause substantially.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/20 @ 02:59 AM — (Reply)
HOW ABOUT THE HOT SCENES IN THE BIBLE ?
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/20 @ 10:26 PM — (Reply)
Does God relax?
what the bible says "for six days the lord made heaven and earth and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed''(Exodus 31:17)
on the seventh day he(GOD)rested from all his work (GENESIS 2:2)
In The Quraan :
38. We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us.
39. Bear, then, with patience, all that they say, and celebrate the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting.
40. And during part of the night, (also,) celebrate His praises, and (so likewise) after the postures of adoration.
41. And listen for the Day when the Caller will call out from a place quiet near,-
42. The Day when they will hear a (mighty) Blast in (very) truth: that will be the Day of Resurrection.
43. Verily it is We Who give Life and Death; and to Us is the Final Goal-
44. The Day when the Earth will be rent asunder, from (men) hurrying out: that will be a gathering together,- quite easy for Us.
45. We know best what they say; and thou art not one to overawe them by force. So admonish with the Qur'an such as fear My Warning!
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/20 @ 10:36 PM — (Reply)
CAN GOD BEE SEEN ?
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS:
SO JACOB CALLED THE PLACE PENIEL, SAYING" IT IS BECAUSE I SAW GOD FACE TO FACE AND YET MY LIFE WAS SPARED "
(GENESIS 32:30)
MOSES AND AARON, NADAB,AND ABIHU AND TEH SEVENTH ELDERS OF ISRAEL WENT UO AND SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL ...(EXODUS 24:9,10)
CONTRADICTING VERSES FROM THE BIBLE :
BUT HE,(GOD) SAID''YOU CANNOT SEE MY FACE, FOR NO-ONE MAY SEE ME AND LIVE (EXODUS 33:20)
NO -ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD....(1JHON:4:12)
WAHT THE QURAAN SAYS :
103. No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things (6:103)
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/20 @ 10:45 PM — (Reply)
IS GOD UNJUST ?
BIBLE :
AWAKE MY GOD DECREE JUSTICE(PSALM 7:6)
THEN KNOW THAT GOD HAS WRONGED ME AND DRAWN HIS NET AROUND ME.THOUGH I CALL FOR HELP THERE IS NOT JUSTICE (JOB:19:6,7)
Quraan:
Verily Allah will not deal unjustly with man in aught: It is man that wrongs his own soul.(10:44)
Allah is never unjust in the least degree: If there is any good (done), He doubleth it, and giveth from His own presence a great reward
(4:40)
Comment by MANAL — 2006/02/21 @ 12:04 AM — (Reply)
Does god sleep?
Bible
THEN THE LORD AWOKE AS FROM SLEEP AS A MAN WAKES FROM THE TUPOR OF WINE (PSALM:78:65)
AWAKE O LORD WHY DO YOU SLEEP? RPUSE YOURSELF....(PSALM44:23)
Quraan:
Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
(2:255)
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/21 @ 12:09 AM — (Reply)
Does god has a family ?
Bible :
this is what the lord says:
Israel is my firstborn son ....(EXODUS 4:22)
The lord saw this and rejected them because he was angered by his sons and daughters(Deuteronomy 32:19)
(God married married jursalem and his wife became a prostitute )
this is waht god says to jerusalem : .... i passed by and saw you kicking about in your blood ... i made you grow like a plant of the field.... you breats were formed and your hair grew, you who were naked and bare.later i passed by and when i looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love , i spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedenss .... and you became mine ......
but you trusted in your beauty and used your fame to become a prostitute ..... at the heas of every street you built your lofty shrines and degraded your beauty, offering your body with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by ..... you engaged un prostitution with the Assyrians too because you were insatiable ....then you increased your promiscuity ....you adulterous wife , you prefer strangers to your own husband (Ezekiel 16:3-32)
Quraan:
"Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "(Allah) hath begotten a son"
"No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood!"
(18:4,5)
"(Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of Allah, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"(5:18)
They say: "(Allah) hath begotten a son" :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.
To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is"(2:116,117)
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him. (112:1,4)
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/21 @ 12:30 AM — (Reply)
Hey Manal maybe God is a bird too because the Bible says he covers us with his wings? hahaha If you can read english I suggest you go to the link and read that. Then go to this link and then answer all of comment #103. I might also suggest to you based on your most recent entries that you read the Bible as we do. It's not always read so literally unlike the Quran and unlike Islam Christianity has and will stand up to your arguments.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/21 @ 01:23 AM — (Reply)
I am not arguing dear , i m trying to englight you and others.
let me know if you want me to stop.
Thanks
Manal
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/22 @ 01:58 AM — (Reply)
Ahhhh clarity is what you are after, well one only has to watch the news or just take a look at the picture of the woman getting stoned and the picture gets pretty clear.
Well DEAR compare and contrast is an argument...if you wish to proselytize and propagandize then I suggest you start your own blog.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/22 @ 02:47 AM — (Reply)
I am not gonna cut and paste this but I wish if you read it
"" News You are Not Supposed to Know Department–But Reported in the Israeli Press! ""
http://www.davidduke.com/?p=493#more-493
Comment by abo— 2006/02/22 @ 05:37 AM — (Reply)
I am not gonna cut and paste this but I wish if you read it
"" News You are Not Supposed to Know about–But Reported in the Israeli Press! ""
http://www.davidduke.com/?p=493#more-493
Comment by abo— 2006/02/22 @ 05:39 AM — (Reply)
COMPARE AND CONTART ARE ENGLIGHTMENT DEAR .
ANY WHY YOU SEEM TO BE FURSTRATED AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SIGN TO INDICATE THAT YOU STARTED TO SEE THE LIGHT.
Comment by MANAL — 2006/02/22 @ 06:59 PM — (Reply)
COMPARE AND CONTRATS ARE ENGLIGHMENTS DEAR.
ANYWAY YOU SEEM TO BE FURSTRATED AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SIGN TO INDICATE THAT YOU STARTED TO SEE THE LIGHT.
Comment by MANAL— 2006/02/22 @ 07:01 PM — (Reply)
yes the lies and deceit of islam frustrate me and I saw the light 20+ years ago when I became a christian
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/23 @ 01:12 AM — (Reply)
manal # ? word to your mpther the use of all capital letters on the internet means y u are yelling so who seems frustrated?
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/23 @ 01:19 AM — (Reply)
the 16th chapter (Surah an-Nahl 16:68-69) the Qur'an mentions that the female bee leaves its home to gather food. Now, a person might guess on that, saying, "The bee that you see flying around - it could be male, or it could be female. I think I will guess female." Certainly, he has a one in two chance of being right. So it happens that the Qur'an is right. But it also happens that that was not what most people believed at the time when the Qur'an was revealed. Can you tell the difference between a male and a female bee? Well, it takes a specialist to do that, but it has been discovered that the male bee never leaves his home to gather food. However, in Shakespeare's play, Henry the Fourth, some of the characters discuss bees and mention that the bees are soldiers and have a king. That is what people thought in Shakespeare's time - that the bees that one sees flying around are male bees and that they go home and answer to a king. However, that is not true at all. The fact is that they are females, and they answer to a queen. Yet it took modern scientific investigations in the last 300 years to discover that this is the case.
So, back to the list of good guesses, concerning the topic of bees, the Qur'an had a 50/50 chance of being right, and the odds were one in two.
The Sun
In addition to the subject of bees, the Qur'an also discusses the sun and the manner in which it travels through space. Again, a person can guess on that subject. When the sun moves through space, there are two options: it can travel just as a stone would travel if one threw it, or it can move of its own accord. The Qur'an states the latter - that it moves as a result of its own motion (Surah al-Anbiya 21:33). To do such, the Qur'an uses a form of the word sabaha to describe the sun's movement through space. In order to properly provide the reader with a comprehensive understanding of the implications of this Arabic verb, the following example is given.
If a man is in water and the verb sabaha is applied in reference to his movement, it can be understood that he is swimming, moving of his own accord and not as a result of a direct force applied to him. Thus when this verb is used in reference to the sun's movement through space, it in no way implies that the sun is flying uncontrollably through space as a result of being hurled or the like. It simply means that the sun is turning and rotating as it travels. Now, this is what the Qur'an affirms, but was it an easy thing to discover? Can any common man tell that the sun is turning? Only in modern times was the equipment made available to project the image of the sun onto a tabletop so that one could look at it without being blinded. And through this process it was discovered that not only are there spots on the sun but that these spots move once every 25 days. This movement is referred to as the rotation of the sun around its axis and conclusively proves that, as the Qur'an stated 1400 years ago, the sun does, indeed, turn as it travels through space.
And returning once again to the subject of good guesses, the odds of guessing correctly about both subjects - the sex of bees and the movement of the sun - are one in four!
Time Zones
Seeing as back fourteen centuries ago people probably did not understand much about time zones, the Qur'an's statements about this subject are considerably surprising. The concept that one family is having breakfast as the sun comes up while another family is enjoying the brisk night air is truly something to be marveled at, even in modern time. Indeed, fourteen centuries ago, a man could not travel more than thirty miles in one day, and thus it took him literally months to travel from India to Morocco, for example. And probably, when he was having supper in Morocco, he thought to himself, "Back home in India they are having supper right now." This is because he did not realize that, in the process of traveling, he moved across a time zone. Yet, because it is the words of Allah, the All-Knowing, the Qur'an recognizes and acknowledges such a phenomenon.
In an interesting verse it states that when history comes to an end and the Day of Judgement arrives, it will all occur in an instant; and this very instant will catch some people in the daytime and some people at night. This clearly illustrates Allah's divine wisdom and His previous knowledge of the existence of time zones, even though such a discovery was non-existent back fourteen centuries ago. Certainly, this phenomenon is not something which is obvious to one's eyes or a result of one's experience, and this fact, in itself, suffices as proof of the Qur'an's authenticity.
Conclusions
Returning one final time to the subject of good guesses for the purpose of the present example, the odds that someone guessed correctly about all three of the aforementioned subjects - the sex of bees, the movement of the sun and the existence of time zones - are one in eight!
Certainly, one could continue on and on with this example, drawing up longer and longer list of good guesses; and of course, the odds would become higher and higher with each increase of subjects about which one could guess. But what no one can deny is the following: the odds that Muhammad (s), an illiterate, guessed correctly about thousands and thousands of subjects, never once making a mistake, are so high that any theory of his authorship of the Qur'an must be completely dismissed - even by the most hostile enemies of Islam!
Indeed, the Qur'an expects this kind of challenge. Undoubtedly, if one said to someone upon entering a foreign land, "I know your father. I have met him," probably the man from that land would doubt the newcomer's word, saying, "You have just come here. How could you know my father?" As a result, he would question him, "Tell me, is my father tall, short, dark, fair? What is he like?" Of course, if the visitor continued answering all of the questions correctly, the skeptic would have no choice but to say, "I guess you do know my father. I don't know how you know him, but I guess you do!"
The situation is the same with the Qur'an. It states that it originates from the One who created everything. So everyone has the right to say, "Convince me! If the author of this book really originated life and everything in the heavens and on the earth, then He should know about this, about that, and so on." And inevitably, after researching the Qur'an, everyone will discover the same truths. Additionally, we all know something for sure: we do not all have to be experts to verify what the Qur'an affirms. One's iman (faith) grows as one continues to check and confirm the truths contained in the Qur'an. And one is supposed to do so all of his life.
May God (Allah) guide everyone close to the truth.
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/25 @ 12:16 AM — (Reply)
1 in eight is that all you got...the probablity that one man would fulfill just 61 of the 300 old testament prophecies concerning the Messiah is 1 in 10 to the 157th power thats a 1 followed by 157 zeros...but that's only a portion of the prophecies fulfilled by Christ..
Your quran doesn't pass the sniff test and here's some info why:
from answering Islam Some of the links m did nto carry over . Visit the web site if you are allowed and truly seek the truth.
Contradictions in the Qur'an
We do not reject the Qur'an because of this list of contradictions. There are many reasons of much more substantial nature why we do not believe the Qur'an to be from the one true God. You will find those discussed on other pages of this web site (e.g. [1], [2]). This page is not intended as an attack on the Qur'an. Sadly, many Muslims have become unnecessarily aggravated because they did not understand the purpose of this collection.
It is my experience that many Muslims try to evade a discussion of the real issues regarding the truth of Islam and Christianity by pushing "101 Bible Contradictions" (or similar compilations) into our face. Muslim web sites abound in articles and collections attacking the integrity of the Bible by means of contradiction lists. Many have the attitude that "because the Bible is riddled with contradictions, errors, absurdities and problems, there is no need for me to make the effort to understand it." With such an attitude no real dialog can develop. Our goal is to get beyond superficial word games to discussing the relevant core issues over which we differ.
It has mostly proven useless to explain one set of contradictions because there is always another one that can be added to the list. It is important to be able to give explanations of the difficult Biblical passages including those that seem contradictory. We are working hard to provide good answers to honest questions in our Bible Commentary and the section on alleged Bible contradictions. However, most Muslims' rejection of the Bible is not based on such contradiction lists. For most Muslims this rejection is an integral part of their faith long before they have ever seen any such "contradictions". These lists are usually only used as a convenient means to justify a rejection of the Bible which would otherwise be very difficult to explain rationally.
Counteracting this evasive or even hostile attitude is the purpose of this page. If both sides can come to the recognition that their own book, the scripture which is the basis of their faith, be it the Bible or the Qur'an, contains some very difficult passages which might even look like plain errors or logical contradictions (depending on the level of hostility employed when looking at it), then we might be more forgiving towards the other and be motivated to not judge prematurely but to make a serious effort to understand each of the books and the essential teachings of the respective faith in a deeper way before we come to a decision why we do or do not believe them.
Debates about contradictions are rarely fruitful because people tend to insist reading the texts of the opponent in the most rigid and literal manner to make it look bad, while being very lenient with their own book, allowing extra assumptions, metaphorical interpretations and other means to somehow explain how this can be understood without being a contradiction.
Some Muslims have proven by their provided responses that they possess a quite ingenious and creative mind. It is for our readers to decide whether or not the provided answers are fully satisfactory for them. It is not for me to make that decision on their behalf. This is one reason that I will not remove even those contradictions that I find answered to my personal satisfaction. A second reason is that keeping the effectively answered contradictions on this site will help Muslims and Christians who don't know the possible responses to contradictions they encountered elsewhere, to find them here. As such this page can be a valuable resource for both Christians and Muslims, similar to various Christian pages about seeming Bible contradictions. To compare like with like, I will make the strongest possible case for something being contradictory and wrong, similar to the Muslim attacks on the Bible. The difference to Muslim web sites is that we give the right of response.
It is our prayer that even this page may help Muslims and Christians to make progress in mutual understanding, to come to a proper perspective regarding the "contradictions issue" and to a realization what the real issues are which we need to concentrate on in our dialogs and debates.
Having clarified the purpose of this page we now challenge our Muslim friends with the following compilation to rethink their approach for determining the truth of scripture.
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Introduction
Because the Bible seemingly contains errors therefore the Bible is not God's word. The Qur'an on the other hand is free from discrepancies and this is proof that the Qur'an is from God since Sura 4:82 states:
Do they not ponder on the Qur'an?
Had it been from other than Allah,
they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.
See also this Muslim presentation: The no-contradiction challenge of the Qur'an.
But reality is not as simple as many would want us believe.
There are three basic categories of contradictions in the Qur'an:
Internal contradictions: Verses contradicting each other or the laws of logic
External errors: Verses contradicting the facts of history or science
Verses contradicting the earlier revelations
Further: Contradictions between Muslim Traditions and the Qur'an
Other web web sites with pages on errors, contradictions or problems in the Qur'an.
For your convenience: Download all contradictions in a .zip format.
If you are able to resolve to your own satisfaction the Qur'an problems presented here, then probably you will be able to understand that Christians can with a similar effort explain to their own satisfaction most of the difficulties in the Bible. Try to be fair and evaluate the Bible with an equal standard as the Qur'an. Don't judge it with harsher criteria than you are ready to use when reading the Qur'an. Even better, read the Bible to understand its meaning and message and not to find fault with it on such superficial levels.
Think about this: Errors in the Bible prove that the Qur'an is not from God.
To several of the presented problems Muslim responses are available on our site. Links to the individual responses will be given usually at the bottom of the pages dealing with the specific issue. If you want to contribute your personal response to one of the topics below I need to insist that you do this in this format also outlining my policy on linking or displaying Muslim responses, as well as the issue of using English translations of the Qur'an. But some think my offer is dishonest. There are further Muslim responses to this summary page available.
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Important notice: This is an overview page which only gives short summaries of the observed contradictions. Before you respond to any of them, first click on the link to the detailed discussion of the individual contradiction!
Internal Contradictions:
Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses.
Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.
Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?
Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].
Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.
What will be the food for the people in Hell? The food for the people in Hell will be only "Dhari" [Sura 88:6], or only foul pus from the washing of wounds [S. 69:36], or will they also get to eat from the tree of Zaqqum [S. 37:66]? Together, these verses constitute three contradictions.
Can Angels Cause the Death of People? The Qur'an attacks those who worship anyone besides God (e.g. angels or prophets) because those can neither create, nor give life, nor cause anyone to die. Yet, the Qur'an explicitly states that one angel or several angels are causing certain people to die [Sura 4:97, 16:28, 32, 32:11].
Confusion Concerning Identity of the Spirit and Gabriel (a long discussion of dozens of references)
'Iddah rules for divorced and widowed women appear to be arbitrary and inconsistent.
To Marry or Not to Marry? The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters und unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].
How many mothers does a Muslim have? Only one [58:2, the woman who gave birth and none else], or two [4:23, including the mother who nursed him], or at least ten [33:6]?
And it just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.
Further numerical discrepancies Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? --- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. --- There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]
How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad? One day [54:19] or several days [41:16; 69:6,7]
Six or eight days of creation? Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.
Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is".
Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].
Calling together or ripping apart? In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.
What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
Fully Detailed Or Incomplete? The Qur'an claims for itself to be (fully) detailed, that nothing is left out of the book [6:38, 6:114, 12:111, 16:89 etc.]. However there are plenty of important issues which are left unclear in the Qur'an. This article discusses the confusion found in the quranic statements on wine.
Worshiping the Same or a Different God? Muhammad is commanded to speak to the disbelievers: ... nor do you worship what I worship [109:3]. However, other verses in the Qur'an state clearly that those disbelieving his message are in fact worshiping the same God, Allah.
To Intercede or Not To Intercede? - That is the Question! The Qur'an makes contradictory statements whether on the Day of Judgment intercession will be possible. No: [2:122-123, 254; 6:51; 82:18-19; etc.]. Yes: [20:109; 34:23; 43:86; 53:26; etc.]. Each position can be further supported by ahadith.
Where is Allah and his throne? Allah is nearer than the jugular vein [50:16], but he is also on the throne [57:4] which is upon the water [11:7], and at the same time so far away, that it takes between 1,000 and 50,000 years to reach him [32:5, 70:4].
The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]?
Does Allah command to do evil? No [7:28, 16:90]. Yes [17:16, ]. Two examples are also given, where Allah clearly commanded or permitted indecent actions [2:229-230, 2:187].
How merciful is Allah's mercy? He has prescribed mercy for himself [6:12], yet he does not guide some, even though he could [6:35, 14:4].
Will there be inquiry in Paradise? "neither will they question one another" [23:101] but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry" [52:25], "and they will ... question one another" [37:27].
Are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].
Is everything devoutly obedient to Allah? That is the claim in 30:26, but dozens of verses speak of the proud disobedience of Satan [7:11, 15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74, 18:50] as well of many different human beings who reject His commands and His revelations.
Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.
The event of worship of the golden calf: The Israelites repented about worshipping the golden calf BEFORE Moses returned from the mountain [7:149], yet they refused to repent but rather continued to worship the calf until Moses came back [20:91]. Does Aaron share in their guilt? No [20:85-90], yes [20:92, 7:151].
Was Jonah cast on the desert shore or was he not? "Then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick" [37:145] "Had not Grace from his Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the naked shore while he was reprobate." [68:49]
Moses and the Injil? Jesus is born more than 1,000 years after Moses, but in 7:157 Allah speaks to Moses about what is written in the Injil [the book given to Jesus].
Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].
How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? On Judgement day the lost people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10], or in their left hand [69:25].
Can angels disobey? No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34].
Three contradictions in 2:97 and 16:101-103 Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad? The ANGEL Gabriel [2:97], or the Holy Spirit [16:102]? The new revelation confirms the old [2:97] or substitutes it [16:101]? The Qur'an is PURE Arabic [16:103] but there are numerous foreign, non-Arabic words in it.
The infinite loop problem Sura 26:192,195,196: "It (the Qur'an) is indeed a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds, ... in clear Arabic speech and indeed IT (the Qur'an) is in the writings of the earlier (prophets)." Now, the 'earlier writings' are the Torah and the Injil for example, written in Hebrew and Greek. HOW can an ARABIC Qur'an be contained in books of other languages? Furthermore, it would have to contain this very passage of the Qur'an since the Qur'an is properly contained in them. Hence these earlier writings have to be contained in yet other earlier writings and we are in an infinite loop, which is absurd.
Is the Torah like the Qur'an, or is it not? The Muslim claim of the corruption of the Bible leads to a contradiction between S. 2:24 and 17:88 on the one hand, and 28:49 and 46:10 on the other.
"An old woman" and God's character About the story of Lot: "So we delivered him and his family, - all exept an old woman who lingered behind." [Sura 26:170-171] And again: "But we saved him and his family, exept his wife: she was of those who lagged behind. [Sura 7:83]. Either this is a contradiction or if indeed Lot's wife is derogatorily called "an old woman" then this does not show much respect for her as a wife of a prophet.
More problems with the story of Lot "And his people gave NO answer but this: They said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" [Sura 7:82 & 27:56]. Yet: "But his people gave NO answer but this: They said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." [Sura 29:29]. Obviously these answers are different.
The "pleasure" of Allah? Is God's action of punishment or mercy and guidance or misguidance arbitrary?
Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49, 6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19 Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to leave the area ("turning away from them all").
What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.
Was Noah driven out? "Before them *the people of Noah* rejected (their messenger): They rejected Our servant and said, 'Here is One possessed!' And he was driven out." [Sura 54:9] Now, if he is driven out [expelled from their country] how come they can scoff at him while he is building the ark since we read "Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that the Chiefs of *his people* passed by him, they threw ridicule on him." [Sura 11:38] He cannot be both: Driven out and near enough that they can regularly pass by.
Pharaoh's Magicians: Muslims or Rejectors of Faith? Did the Magicians of Pharaoh, Egyptians, become believers in the God of Moses [7:103-126; 20:56-73; S. 26:29-51] or did only Israelites believe in Moses [10:83]?
Pharaoh's repentance in the face of death? According to Sura 10:90-92, Pharaoh repented "in the sight of death" and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says that such a thing can't happen.
Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!
Guiding to truth? "Say: 'God - He guides to the truth; and which is worthier to be followed ...?" [Sura 10:35] But how much is left over of this worthiness when we also read: "Allah leads astray whom he pleases, and he guides whom He pleases, ..." [Sura 14:4]. And how do we know in which of Allah's categories of pleasure we fall? How sure can a Muslim be that he is one of those guided right and not one of those led astray?
What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone" [4:16]. 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4?
Who suffers the consequence of sins? The Qur'an declares that everyone will be held responsible only for his own sins [S. 17:13-15, 53:38-42]. Yet, the Qur'an accuses the Jews of Muhammad's day for the sins committed some 2000 years earlier by other Jews, e.g. worshipping the Golden Calf idol.
Will Christians enter Paradise or go to Hell? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses later) and 3:85 say "No".
God alone or also men? Clear or incomprehensible? The Qur'an is "clear Arabic speech." [16:103] Yet "NONE knows its interpretation, save only Allah." [3:7]. Actually, "men of understanding do grasp it." [3:7]
Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved when chasing Moses and the Israelites? Saved [10:92], drowned [28:40, 17:103, 43:55].
When Commanded Pharaoh the Killing of the Sons? When Moses was a Prophet and spoke God's truth to Pharaoh [40:23-25] or when he was still an infant [20:38-39]?
When/how are the fates determined? "The night of power is better than a thousand months. The angels and spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees." [97:3,4] "Lo! We revealed it on a blessed night." [44:3] To Muslims, the "Night of Power" is a blessed night on which fates are settled and on which everything relating to life, death, etc., which occurs throughout the year is decreed. It is said to be the night on which Allah's decrees for the year are brought down to the earthly plane. In other words, matters of creation are decreed a year at a time. Contradicting this, Sura 57:22 says, "No affliction befalls in the earth or in your selves, but it is in a Book before we create it." This means it is written in the Preserved Tablet, being totally fixed in Allah's knowledge before anyone was created. All of the above is contradicted by "And every man's fate We have fastened to his own neck." This says that man alone is responsible for what he does and what happens to him. [17:13]
Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?
Good News of Painful Torture? Obviously, announcing torment and suffering to anyone is bad news, not good news. However, the Qur'an announces the good news of painful torment [3:21, 4:138, 9:3, 9:34, 31:7, 45:8, and 84:24].
Jinns and men created for worship or for Hell? Created only to serve God [Sura 51:56], many of them made for Hell [Sura 7:179].
Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.
Will Allah disgrace Muslims? On the day of judgment Allah will not humiliate or disgrace the Prophet and those who believe in him [S. 66:8]. However, 19:71 says that everyone will enter Hell, and 3:192 states that whomsoever Allah sends to Hell, is disgraced thereby.
Will Jesus burn in Hell? Jesus is raised to Allah, [Sura 4:158], near stationed with him [Sura 3:45], worshiped by millions of Christians, yet Sura 21:98 says, that all that are worshiped by men besides Allah will burn in Hell together with those who worship them.
Is Jesus God or Not? In Sura 16:17, 20-21 and S. 25:3 we find a criterion to distinguish the true God from false gods. Yet, according to S. 3:49, 55, 4:157-158, 5:110, 6:2, and 38:71-72 Jesus satisfies the definition and should be considered true Deity.
Can there be a son without a consort? Allah cannot have a son without a consort [Sura 6:101], but Mary can have a son without a consort because that is easy for Allah [Sura 19:21].
Who is the father of Jesus? A more involved argument that is difficult to summarize in one sentence.
Begetting and Self-sufficiency A self-contradiction on account of confused terminology.
Could Allah have a son? Sura 39:4 affirms and Sura 6:101 denies this possibility.
Did Jesus Die already? Sura 3:144 states that all messengers died before Muhammad. But 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?).
One Creator or many? The Qur'an uses twice the phrase that Allah is "the best of creators" [23:14, 37:125]. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is "the creator of all things" [e.g. 39:62]. There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.
From among all nations or from Abraham's seed? Sura 29:27 states that all prophets came Abraham's seed. But 16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people.
Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5].
Messengers were never sent to other than their own people? So it is claimed in Sura 14:4 and 30:47. However, the Bible and the Qur'an, and the Muslim traditions confirm that Jonah was sent to a different nation.
Messengers Amongst the Jinns and Angels? Allah sent only men as messengers [Suras 12:109, 21:7-8, 25:20-21] but there seemingly are messengers from Jinns and Angels [6:130; 11:69,77; 22:75; etc., see article for details].
Another eleven contradictions...
Further:
Examples of conflicting versions of the same story in the Qur'an
Contradictory Grammar
... and more ...
Statements that are difficulties only because of the wording in the English translation:
To speak or not to speak? Say: I shall not speak to any man today. (Sura 19:26)
Further pages with Muslim responses:
A summary response to (some of items) above
Misha'al Al-Kadhi's response titled "Does the Word of God in the Noble Qur'an Contain Contradictions?" He never informed me that he was writing about me ... Maybe he hoped that as long as I don't know about it he will not be refuted? Carefully compare my reasoning and his reply, since many times he only responds to the short abstract given on this page, without paying any attention to the detailed discussion of each of these contradictions, found when one follows the given links.
The same approach was taken by Laaman Ball in his Response to Internal Contradictions which prompted my question in return.
Some interesting responses from the sectarian Qur'an Only camp: [*]
Osama Abdallah also put together a number of responses [*]
Answering Islam's Critics is Shabir Ally's new page in response to the Qur'an Contradictions. Having just written a response to only the first entry above, he already claims they are all invalid. That seems somewhat premature to us.
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External Contradictions:
Introductory question
Science:
Solomon listening to ants? In Sura 27:18-19 Solomon overhears a "conversation of ants".
Is this possible based on our knowledge about the mode and complexity of ant communication?
The stars and the moon The Qur'an teaches that there are seven heavens one above the other [67:3, 71:15], and that the stars are in the lower heaven [67:5, 37:6, 41:12], but the moon is depicted as being in/inside the seven heavens [71:16], even though in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.
Qur'an and Science: Section Four in Dr. Campbell's book
Qur'an and Embryology
Can non-living matter think, feel and have a will?
The human embryonic development
The place of Sun rise and Sun set
The Seven Earths
Stars created to be thrown at devils?
Sun and moon are subject to man?
Mountains and Earthquakes
The impossible conversation
Solomon and the animals...
Shaking the trunk of the palm tree?
Thinking with the breasts?
All things are made in pairs? Sura 51:49 claims that everything is created in pairs. But this is not true! There are quite a number of things that have no counterpart and species where only one gender exists.
History:
The Qur'an Attacks ... Christianity?
Moses and the Samaritan?
The farthest Mosque?
Alexander the Great, a Muslim?
None else was named "John" before John the Baptist?
Two Pharaohs who crucified?
Burnt bricks in Egypt?
Were they utterly destroyed?
Jesus was not crucified?
The anachronistic title al-`Aziz given to Potiphar [with special gratitude to Islamic Awareness for making such a big deal about a minor point on a defunct web page, and forcing the issue into public attention.]
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The Qur'an in Contradiction to the Earlier Revelations:
Ultimately, the strongest, most serious problem of the Qur'an is that it affirms the scriptures of the Jews and the Christians as authentic and true revelation from God (cf. what the Qur'an says about the Bible), while radically denying central aspects of their message, e.g. the core themes of sacrifice and atonement in the Torah, the crucifixion of Jesus, the deity of Jesus and even the mere messianic title "Son of God" for Jesus, the very nature of God, the fall and the sinfulness of man (*, *), necessity and means of salvation, etc. For this reason Muslims had to invent the unwarranted theory of corruption of the earlier scriptures, even against the clear testimony of the Qur'an itself.
In the following some smaller discrepancies between the Qur'an and the scriptures it supposedly confirms.
Historical Compressions:
Saul, David, Gideon and Goliath
A Samaritan tempting the Israelites in Moses time?
Prophets and Kings in Israel before the time of Moses?
Moses and the Gospel?
Punishment for future disobedience?
Mary, the sister of Aaron?
Pharaoh and Haman?
Abraham's name
Abraham and Solomon
Other contradictions in comparison to the Bible:
Introductory remark
Did God teach Adam the names of the animals?
Were Believers Really Called Muslims Before the Time of Muhammad?
The Quran’s Mistakes regarding the Biblical Patriarchs
Who Adopted Moses: Pharaoh’s Daughter or Pharaoh’s Wife?
A Flood in the time of Moses?
The Quran, Moses and the Tablets of Stone
Solomon Working with Demons
Israel's Response to the Covenant: ‘We Obey’ or ‘We Disobey’?
Where is the Blood?
Animal sacrifices for Christians?
How many messengers at Noah's time?
Why did the Queen of Sheba come to Solomon?
Ezra the Son of God?
Jesus reached old age?
Did the golden calf say 'Moo'?
Did disobedience result in extra commandments?
How many messengers were sent to Noah's people?
The Progeny of Abraham?
Two young men?
More contradictions between Qur'an and Bible
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Do they not ponder on the Qur'an?
Had it been from other than Allah,
they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.
-- Sura 4:82
Since this verse is claiming that there is "no contradiction / discrepancy" in the Qur'an, therefore itself has to be part of the list of contradictions because it contradicts the existence of the above listed contradictions. Or would you say because it says "much" and the above aren't "enough of them" yet to qualify for "much", all is actually fine?
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If you want to use these contradictions when talking to your Muslim friends, then read this.
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A book on this topic, listing several hundred difficult issues in the Qur'an is:
`Abdallah `Abd al-Fadi
Is the Qur'an Infallible?
Order Number VB 4009 E
available from:
Light of Life, P.O.Box 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria
Also available in Arabic.
Other Pages on these topics:
Contradictions in the Qur'an
Chapters 6 - 11 in the book "Behind the Veil"
Errors in the Qur'an
A Partial List of Problems and Contradictions in the Quran
Quran Contradictions
If you know of another contradiction or error I have missed so far, I would appreciate a message informing me about it.
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The reason for this page...
If you have browsed the contradictions page and have the feeling this is a really mean, disrespectful and distasteful attack on the Qur'an, ... and Muslims would never do things like that to the Bible ... maybe you would like to have a look around some Muslim sites:
The Bible Criticism Page [1], [2], [3], [4] is copied and displayed on many Islamic sites and often one of the first links that you see when entering these Islamic pages: [1], [1a], [2], ... [3], and a similar page is here.
What do you think about Muslims using Atheist material?
I take no joy in this approach. Muslims have forced it on me with their pages.
Please read the purpose statement for this page to understand my motivation better.
Furthermore, there are "genuinely" Muslim pages, that are not just relying on the atheists, but they have their own Bible contradictions. I am giving again several locations of the identical text, to show how important these books are to Muslims and how often they are used.
Contradictions in the Qur'an
The purpose of this page
We do not reject the Qur'an because of this list of contradictions. There are many reasons of much more substantial nature why we do not believe the Qur'an to be from the one true God. You will find those discussed on other pages of this web site (e.g. [1], [2]). This page is not intended as an attack on the Qur'an. Sadly, many Muslims have become unnecessarily aggravated because they did not understand the purpose of this collection.
It is my experience that many Muslims try to evade a discussion of the real issues regarding the truth of Islam and Christianity by pushing "101 Bible Contradictions" (or similar compilations) into our face. Muslim web sites abound in articles and collections attacking the integrity of the Bible by means of contradiction lists. Many have the attitude that "because the Bible is riddled with contradictions, errors, absurdities and problems, there is no need for me to make the effort to understand it." With such an attitude no real dialog can develop. Our goal is to get beyond superficial word games to discussing the relevant core issues over which we differ.
It has mostly proven useless to explain one set of contradictions because there is always another one that can be added to the list. It is important to be able to give explanations of the difficult Biblical passages including those that seem contradictory. We are working hard to provide good answers to honest questions in our Bible Commentary and the section on alleged Bible contradictions. However, most Muslims' rejection of the Bible is not based on such contradiction lists. For most Muslims this rejection is an integral part of their faith long before they have ever seen any such "contradictions". These lists are usually only used as a convenient means to justify a rejection of the Bible which would otherwise be very difficult to explain rationally.
Counteracting this evasive or even hostile attitude is the purpose of this page. If both sides can come to the recognition that their own book, the scripture which is the basis of their faith, be it the Bible or the Qur'an, contains some very difficult passages which might even look like plain errors or logical contradictions (depending on the level of hostility employed when looking at it), then we might be more forgiving towards the other and be motivated to not judge prematurely but to make a serious effort to understand each of the books and the essential teachings of the respective faith in a deeper way before we come to a decision why we do or do not believe them.
Debates about contradictions are rarely fruitful because people tend to insist reading the texts of the opponent in the most rigid and literal manner to make it look bad, while being very lenient with their own book, allowing extra assumptions, metaphorical interpretations and other means to somehow explain how this can be understood without being a contradiction.
Some Muslims have proven by their provided responses that they possess a quite ingenious and creative mind. It is for our readers to decide whether or not the provided answers are fully satisfactory for them. It is not for me to make that decision on their behalf. This is one reason that I will not remove even those contradictions that I find answered to my personal satisfaction. A second reason is that keeping the effectively answered contradictions on this site will help Muslims and Christians who don't know the possible responses to contradictions they encountered elsewhere, to find them here. As such this page can be a valuable resource for both Christians and Muslims, similar to various Christian pages about seeming Bible contradictions. To compare like with like, I will make the strongest possible case for something being contradictory and wrong, similar to the Muslim attacks on the Bible. The difference to Muslim web sites is that we give the right of response.
It is our prayer that even this page may help Muslims and Christians to make progress in mutual understanding, to come to a proper perspective regarding the "contradictions issue" and to a realization what the real issues are which we need to concentrate on in our dialogs and debates.
Having clarified the purpose of this page we now challenge our Muslim friends with the following compilation to rethink their approach for determining the truth of scripture.
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Introduction
Because the Bible seemingly contains errors therefore the Bible is not God's word. The Qur'an on the other hand is free from discrepancies and this is proof that the Qur'an is from God since Sura 4:82 states:
Do they not ponder on the Qur'an?
Had it been from other than Allah,
they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.
See also this Muslim presentation: The no-contradiction challenge of the Qur'an.
But reality is not as simple as many would want us believe.
There are three basic categories of contradictions in the Qur'an:
Internal contradictions: Verses contradicting each other or the laws of logic
External errors: Verses contradicting the facts of history or science
Verses contradicting the earlier revelations
Further: Contradictions between Muslim Traditions and the Qur'an
Other web web sites with pages on errors, contradictions or problems in the Qur'an.
For your convenience: Download all contradictions in a .zip format.
If you are able to resolve to your own satisfaction the Qur'an problems presented here, then probably you will be able to understand that Christians can with a similar effort explain to their own satisfaction most of the difficulties in the Bible. Try to be fair and evaluate the Bible with an equal standard as the Qur'an. Don't judge it with harsher criteria than you are ready to use when reading the Qur'an. Even better, read the Bible to understand its meaning and message and not to find fault with it on such superficial levels.
Think about this: Errors in the Bible prove that the Qur'an is not from God.
To several of the presented problems Muslim responses are available on our site. Links to the individual responses will be given usually at the bottom of the pages dealing with the specific issue. If you want to contribute your personal response to one of the topics below I need to insist that you do this in this format also outlining my policy on linking or displaying Muslim responses, as well as the issue of using English translations of the Qur'an. But some think my offer is dishonest. There are further Muslim responses to this summary page available.
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Important notice: This is an overview page which only gives short summaries of the observed contradictions. Before you respond to any of them, first click on the link to the detailed discussion of the individual contradiction!
Internal Contradictions:
Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses.
Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.
Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?
Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].
Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.
What will be the food for the people in Hell? The food for the people in Hell will be only "Dhari" [Sura 88:6], or only foul pus from the washing of wounds [S. 69:36], or will they also get to eat from the tree of Zaqqum [S. 37:66]? Together, these verses constitute three contradictions.
Can Angels Cause the Death of People? The Qur'an attacks those who worship anyone besides God (e.g. angels or prophets) because those can neither create, nor give life, nor cause anyone to die. Yet, the Qur'an explicitly states that one angel or several angels are causing certain people to die [Sura 4:97, 16:28, 32, 32:11].
Confusion Concerning Identity of the Spirit and Gabriel (a long discussion of dozens of references)
'Iddah rules for divorced and widowed women appear to be arbitrary and inconsistent.
To Marry or Not to Marry? The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters und unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].
How many mothers does a Muslim have? Only one [58:2, the woman who gave birth and none else], or two [4:23, including the mother who nursed him], or at least ten [33:6]?
And it just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.
Further numerical discrepancies Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? --- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. --- There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]
How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad? One day [54:19] or several days [41:16; 69:6,7]
Six or eight days of creation? Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.
Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is".
Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].
Calling together or ripping apart? In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.
What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
Fully Detailed Or Incomplete? The Qur'an claims for itself to be (fully) detailed, that nothing is left out of the book [6:38, 6:114, 12:111, 16:89 etc.]. However there are plenty of important issues which are left unclear in the Qur'an. This article discusses the confusion found in the quranic statements on wine.
Worshiping the Same or a Different God? Muhammad is commanded to speak to the disbelievers: ... nor do you worship what I worship [109:3]. However, other verses in the Qur'an state clearly that those disbelieving his message are in fact worshiping the same God, Allah.
To Intercede or Not To Intercede? - That is the Question! The Qur'an makes contradictory statements whether on the Day of Judgment intercession will be possible. No: [2:122-123, 254; 6:51; 82:18-19; etc.]. Yes: [20:109; 34:23; 43:86; 53:26; etc.]. Each position can be further supported by ahadith.
Where is Allah and his throne? Allah is nearer than the jugular vein [50:16], but he is also on the throne [57:4] which is upon the water [11:7], and at the same time so far away, that it takes between 1,000 and 50,000 years to reach him [32:5, 70:4].
The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]?
Does Allah command to do evil? No [7:28, 16:90]. Yes [17:16, ]. Two examples are also given, where Allah clearly commanded or permitted indecent actions [2:229-230, 2:187].
How merciful is Allah's mercy? He has prescribed mercy for himself [6:12], yet he does not guide some, even though he could [6:35, 14:4].
Will there be inquiry in Paradise? "neither will they question one another" [23:101] but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry" [52:25], "and they will ... question one another" [37:27].
Are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].
Is everything devoutly obedient to Allah? That is the claim in 30:26, but dozens of verses speak of the proud disobedience of Satan [7:11, 15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74, 18:50] as well of many different human beings who reject His commands and His revelations.
Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.
The event of worship of the golden calf: The Israelites repented about worshipping the golden calf BEFORE Moses returned from the mountain [7:149], yet they refused to repent but rather continued to worship the calf until Moses came back [20:91]. Does Aaron share in their guilt? No [20:85-90], yes [20:92, 7:151].
Was Jonah cast on the desert shore or was he not? "Then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick" [37:145] "Had not Grace from his Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the naked shore while he was reprobate." [68:49]
Moses and the Injil? Jesus is born more than 1,000 years after Moses, but in 7:157 Allah speaks to Moses about what is written in the Injil [the book given to Jesus].
Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].
How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? On Judgement day the lost people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10], or in their left hand [69:25].
Can angels disobey? No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34].
Three contradictions in 2:97 and 16:101-103 Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad? The ANGEL Gabriel [2:97], or the Holy Spirit [16:102]? The new revelation confirms the old [2:97] or substitutes it [16:101]? The Qur'an is PURE Arabic [16:103] but there are numerous foreign, non-Arabic words in it.
The infinite loop problem Sura 26:192,195,196: "It (the Qur'an) is indeed a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds, ... in clear Arabic speech and indeed IT (the Qur'an) is in the writings of the earlier (prophets)." Now, the 'earlier writings' are the Torah and the Injil for example, written in Hebrew and Greek. HOW can an ARABIC Qur'an be contained in books of other languages? Furthermore, it would have to contain this very passage of the Qur'an since the Qur'an is properly contained in them. Hence these earlier writings have to be contained in yet other earlier writings and we are in an infinite loop, which is absurd.
Is the Torah like the Qur'an, or is it not? The Muslim claim of the corruption of the Bible leads to a contradiction between S. 2:24 and 17:88 on the one hand, and 28:49 and 46:10 on the other.
"An old woman" and God's character About the story of Lot: "So we delivered him and his family, - all exept an old woman who lingered behind." [Sura 26:170-171] And again: "But we saved him and his family, exept his wife: she was of those who lagged behind. [Sura 7:83]. Either this is a contradiction or if indeed Lot's wife is derogatorily called "an old woman" then this does not show much respect for her as a wife of a prophet.
More problems with the story of Lot "And his people gave NO answer but this: They said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" [Sura 7:82 & 27:56]. Yet: "But his people gave NO answer but this: They said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." [Sura 29:29]. Obviously these answers are different.
The "pleasure" of Allah? Is God's action of punishment or mercy and guidance or misguidance arbitrary?
Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49, 6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19 Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to leave the area ("turning away from them all").
What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.
Was Noah driven out? "Before them *the people of Noah* rejected (their messenger): They rejected Our servant and said, 'Here is One possessed!' And he was driven out." [Sura 54:9] Now, if he is driven out [expelled from their country] how come they can scoff at him while he is building the ark since we read "Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that the Chiefs of *his people* passed by him, they threw ridicule on him." [Sura 11:38] He cannot be both: Driven out and near enough that they can regularly pass by.
Pharaoh's Magicians: Muslims or Rejectors of Faith? Did the Magicians of Pharaoh, Egyptians, become believers in the God of Moses [7:103-126; 20:56-73; S. 26:29-51] or did only Israelites believe in Moses [10:83]?
Pharaoh's repentance in the face of death? According to Sura 10:90-92, Pharaoh repented "in the sight of death" and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says that such a thing can't happen.
Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!
Guiding to truth? "Say: 'God - He guides to the truth; and which is worthier to be followed ...?" [Sura 10:35] But how much is left over of this worthiness when we also read: "Allah leads astray whom he pleases, and he guides whom He pleases, ..." [Sura 14:4]. And how do we know in which of Allah's categories of pleasure we fall? How sure can a Muslim be that he is one of those guided right and not one of those led astray?
What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone" [4:16]. 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4?
Who suffers the consequence of sins? The Qur'an declares that everyone will be held responsible only for his own sins [S. 17:13-15, 53:38-42]. Yet, the Qur'an accuses the Jews of Muhammad's day for the sins committed some 2000 years earlier by other Jews, e.g. worshipping the Golden Calf idol.
Will Christians enter Paradise or go to Hell? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses later) and 3:85 say "No".
God alone or also men? Clear or incomprehensible? The Qur'an is "clear Arabic speech." [16:103] Yet "NONE knows its interpretation, save only Allah." [3:7]. Actually, "men of understanding do grasp it." [3:7]
Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved when chasing Moses and the Israelites? Saved [10:92], drowned [28:40, 17:103, 43:55].
When Commanded Pharaoh the Killing of the Sons? When Moses was a Prophet and spoke God's truth to Pharaoh [40:23-25] or when he was still an infant [20:38-39]?
When/how are the fates determined? "The night of power is better than a thousand months. The angels and spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees." [97:3,4] "Lo! We revealed it on a blessed night." [44:3] To Muslims, the "Night of Power" is a blessed night on which fates are settled and on which everything relating to life, death, etc., which occurs throughout the year is decreed. It is said to be the night on which Allah's decrees for the year are brought down to the earthly plane. In other words, matters of creation are decreed a year at a time. Contradicting this, Sura 57:22 says, "No affliction befalls in the earth or in your selves, but it is in a Book before we create it." This means it is written in the Preserved Tablet, being totally fixed in Allah's knowledge before anyone was created. All of the above is contradicted by "And every man's fate We have fastened to his own neck." This says that man alone is responsible for what he does and what happens to him. [17:13]
Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?
Good News of Painful Torture? Obviously, announcing torment and suffering to anyone is bad news, not good news. However, the Qur'an announces the good news of painful torment [3:21, 4:138, 9:3, 9:34, 31:7, 45:8, and 84:24].
Jinns and men created for worship or for Hell? Created only to serve God [Sura 51:56], many of them made for Hell [Sura 7:179].
Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.
Will Allah disgrace Muslims? On the day of judgment Allah will not humiliate or disgrace the Prophet and those who believe in him [S. 66:8]. However, 19:71 says that everyone will enter Hell, and 3:192 states that whomsoever Allah sends to Hell, is disgraced thereby.
Will Jesus burn in Hell? Jesus is raised to Allah, [Sura 4:158], near stationed with him [Sura 3:45], worshiped by millions of Christians, yet Sura 21:98 says, that all that are worshiped by men besides Allah will burn in Hell together with those who worship them.
Is Jesus God or Not? In Sura 16:17, 20-21 and S. 25:3 we find a criterion to distinguish the true God from false gods. Yet, according to S. 3:49, 55, 4:157-158, 5:110, 6:2, and 38:71-72 Jesus satisfies the definition and should be considered true Deity.
Can there be a son without a consort? Allah cannot have a son without a consort [Sura 6:101], but Mary can have a son without a consort because that is easy for Allah [Sura 19:21].
Who is the father of Jesus? A more involved argument that is difficult to summarize in one sentence.
Begetting and Self-sufficiency A self-contradiction on account of confused terminology.
Could Allah have a son? Sura 39:4 affirms and Sura 6:101 denies this possibility.
Did Jesus Die already? Sura 3:144 states that all messengers died before Muhammad. But 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?).
One Creator or many? The Qur'an uses twice the phrase that Allah is "the best of creators" [23:14, 37:125]. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is "the creator of all things" [e.g. 39:62]. There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.
From among all nations or from Abraham's seed? Sura 29:27 states that all prophets came Abraham's seed. But 16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people.
Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5].
Messengers were never sent to other than their own people? So it is claimed in Sura 14:4 and 30:47. However, the Bible and the Qur'an, and the Muslim traditions confirm that Jonah was sent to a different nation.
Messengers Amongst the Jinns and Angels? Allah sent only men as messengers [Suras 12:109, 21:7-8, 25:20-21] but there seemingly are messengers from Jinns and Angels [6:130; 11:69,77; 22:75; etc., see article for details].
Another eleven contradictions...
Further:
Examples of conflicting versions of the same story in the Qur'an
Contradictory Grammar
... and more ...
Statements that are difficulties only because of the wording in the English translation:
To speak or not to speak? Say: I shall not speak to any man today. (Sura 19:26)
ntradictions:
Introductory question
Science:
Solomon listening to ants? In Sura 27:18-19 Solomon overhears a "conversation of ants".
Is this possible based on our knowledge about the mode and complexity of ant communication?
The stars and the moon The Qur'an teaches that there are seven heavens one above the other [67:3, 71:15], and that the stars are in the lower heaven [67:5, 37:6, 41:12], but the moon is depicted as being in/inside the seven heavens [71:16], even though in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.
Qur'an and Science: Section Four in Dr. Campbell's book
Qur'an and Embryology
Can non-living matter think, feel and have a will?
The human embryonic development
The place of Sun rise and Sun set
The Seven Earths
Stars created to be thrown at devils?
Sun and moon are subject to man?
Mountains and Earthquakes
The impossible conversation
Solomon and the animals...
Shaking the trunk of the palm tree?
Thinking with the breasts?
All things are made in pairs? Sura 51:49 claims that everything is created in pairs. But this is not true! There are quite a number of things that have no counterpart and species where only one gender exists.
History:
The Qur'an Attacks ... Christianity?
Moses and the Samaritan?
The farthest Mosque?
Alexander the Great, a Muslim?
None else was named "John" before John the Baptist?
Two Pharaohs who crucified?
Burnt bricks in Egypt?
Were they utterly destroyed?
Jesus was not crucified?
The anachronistic title al-`Aziz given to Potiphar [with special gratitude to Islamic Awareness for making such a big deal about a minor point on a defunct web page, and forcing the issue into public attention.]
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The Qur'an in Contradiction to the Earlier Revelations:
Ultimately, the strongest, most serious
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/02/27 @ 02:52 AM — (Reply)
i did not see contardiction in one single line , i have only seen queries and questions that requires days and weeks to answer and require a person who is free 24 hours to research each of your questions and give an proper answer.
If you say you cant reply the contardictions in the bibles
i say i can reply any question related to the Quraan but only if i know the context on which the suras was decended.
why are you denying one simple fact that in the Quraan , hundred of scinetific miracles are revealed 1400 years ago when no civilization was in earth and when an illeterate was reciting it .???
why you keep denying clear facts?
i m assuring you that you are not after the truth but after a debate therefote i advise you and that is only for your sake to open your sense to the light and have an objective view on the real Islam , wich was and is the only religion that god has choosen for all mankind.
Mohamed died when he was the poorest man on eart.he had no palaces nore gold nor money , why would he then accept all the tortures and lived a difficult life if he wasnt sent to you and me with the tru message form god ?
answer me pls
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/27 @ 07:51 PM — (Reply)
Muhammad's name appeared in Haggai 2:7 under the hebrew word mahmad () which means praised one (Muhammad is Arabic for praised one). It almost undoubtedly is referring to the Arabic Prophet Muhammad.
The 5th chapter of Songs of Solomon is discussing someone. Jews will say it is discussing Solomon, while Christians will say it is discussing Jesus. Considering this is the Songs of Solomon, it would seem logical that it is discussing Solomon. The verses describing this mystery man have the narators speech conjuagted in the feminine (meaning it is a woman who is describing this man) so it is possible that it is one of Solomon's wives discussing her Husband (Solomon). However, if a Christian tries to assert that Jesus is being discussed, then they are insinuating that this is discussing a future prophet (a man who was not yet alive at that point), a prophesy.... If the 5th chapter of Songs of Solomon is looking into the future, then there is no doubt it is discussing Muhammad
Throughout the chapter, someone is being discussed. Whomever it is, verse 15 says his "countenance (face) is as Lebanon", so this is an Arabic gentleman (or Arab looking), a Semitic man none the less. Verse 11 says "his head is as the most fine gold, his locks are wavy, and black as a raven". Verse 10 describes this man as being "radiant and ruddy" which means he was slightly light-skinned with a rosy color. This can be confirmed in the Sahih Bukhari Hadiths, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 747, which says Muhammad was slightly light skinned, with a rosy color (and also has the same hair as is mentioned in verse 11). Also verse 14 describes this man as having a stomach like ivory. I take it this means the parts of his body that were usually covered by his garment from the sun, were very white (like ivory). This also can be atributed to Muhammad who although having a rosy, golden color, had white armpitts (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 17, Number 141 says you could see the whites of his armpitt when he raised his hand). WHAT'S THE POINT?!?!
Discussing skin color, and hair color is fruitless, and if I was basing it solely on that, it could be describing ANY Semitic man. However, this person's name is given. In reading the English translation of Songs 5:16 it finishes the description by saying "He is altogether lovely". The words "altogether lovely" was translated from mahmad . We'll take a closer look at this four character word, and prove this is talking about Muhammad...
First of all, the way this word is written is Hebrew is . That happens to be the EXACT same was Muhammad's name is written in Hebrew. Let's look at the spelling of this word...
Now, when writing in Hebrew, there is no difference between the word mahmad and Muhammad . The only difference is in the vowels used when pronouncing . Hebrew is an ancient language, and there are no vowels. It is made up of 22 consonants. In ancient times, the reader decided on his own which vowels to add in. It was not until the 8th century that vowels were introduced, in the form of dots and lines. However, this has nothing to do with real Hebrew. The word mahmad in ancient times would have been pronounced "mahamad".
According to Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary, is correctly pronounced "mahamad" (not mahmad)
Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary defines "" as "lovely, coveted one, precious one, praised one". The correct way to say "praised one" in Arabic is Mahamad, so this is the same word!
In conclusion, if Songs of Solomon chapter 5 is discussing a man to come after that time, it is without a doubt Mahamad, as it even mentions his name. Any Christian who believes Jesus is the Messiah, and believes that books were sent down by God after the TaNaKh (Jewish Bible), then surely they should take into account what they just read here, and consider the Qur'an before making a decision.
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/27 @ 08:15 PM — (Reply)
finally read this story
i am ethnically a Russian Jew. My quest began when I was 19 years old. I was recovering from my stint with Scientology (yes I was brainwashed into it). My belief in God was uncertain. My goals in life were to be a rock star. I was living in my Pasadena apartment and working as a secretary. Funny, I know. One night I was walking to the kitchen, and encountered a dark fellow. I remembered asking him: “Can I keep this vodka in the fridge tonight?” We shook hands and went to sleep. After that point, my life changed drastically…
This dark fellow, a Muslim, was the first Muslim I had ever met. Extremely curious, I conversed with him about his faith. What’s this stuff I hear about praying 5 times a day? And about Holy War? Who is this Mohammed guy? Our talks were accompanied by our Christian roommate, Wade. Together, we created “The Jewish, Christian, and Muslim dialogue sessions”. In it, we discovered many differences, and many commonalities. My interest had then shifted from sex, drugs, and parties, to a massive search for the truth. A search that I had to complete. A search for God. And a search for how to follow him.
In my quest for the truth, I asked myself: “Ok let’s start simple, how many God’s do I think are out there?” I figured only one; knowing that a divided God is weaker than One God; figuring that if one God didn’t agree with the other, there might be arguments and feuds. One God was my choice.
Once I opened up mind to the possibility of existence God, I analyzed both atheist and theist beliefs. The thing that directed me to the latter was the quote “Every design has a designer”. With that in mind, eventually I woke up with certainty that God exists. I can’t explain why, I just felt it somehow. This newfound excitement was accompanied by a sense of responsibility to follow the Creator. The world of religion was my next frontier. Then I asked myself, “Where do I start?” There are literally thousands of them. I need a way to narrow them down to a just a few. How do I accomplish such a task? “Find the ones that are monotheistic” entered my mind. “Hey that makes sense, since I believe in only One God.”
Ok, then. This ruled out Buddhism and Hinduism, both being polytheistic faiths. The major religions I encountered that fell under the title of Monotheistic, where Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Well since I’m a Jew, I started with Judaism. One God, some prophets, 10 commandments, Torah, Jewish souls…uh, what: “Jewish souls?” While doing research this idea was brought to my attention. The story goes, “if a person is born Jewish, then they have a Jewish soul, and they must follow Judaism.” Hold on a sec…that’s discrimination, isn’t it? That’s not universal. So God makes Jewish souls, and Christian souls, and Muslim souls, and Hindu souls? I thought all men are created equal? So because one is born into a religion that means by the decree of God he must remain in it…even if the person believes it to be false? Hmm…I don’t agree with that. Another thing really bothered me…there is no strict concept of hell in Judaism…then why be good? Why not sin? If I don’t have fear of strict punishment, then why should I be moral? Moving on, I discovered Christianity. Ok, one God, a father, a son, and a holy ghost…one more time: one God, a father, a son, and a holy ghost. Uhhh, please explain. How can all those things be one God? 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 right? So how can you say you believe in only one God? Explanation after explanation, equation after equation, comparison after comparison, analogy after analogy, I couldn’t grasp this concept. Ok let’s keep looking here. Ok, next major doctrine: Jesus died for our sins and he did this because we all are polluted with “Original Sin”. So, Jesus Christ, the “son of God”, had to be murdered to save everyone from Hell and cure us of our sin “given” to us by Adam. Ok then, so are you saying that we are all born as sinners? And to sin is to do something wrong right? Then you’re telling me that a one-year old baby is guilty of sin or doing something wrong? Ok that’s strange, so based on the actions of one man, all of mankind must suffer? What’s the moral of that story? Punish the whole group if one deviates? Why would God create such a rule? That’s just not in agreement with my logic. So Jesus died because he “loves mankind”. Hold on, it says in the Bible that Jesus said “father, why have you forsaken me?” So, apparently, Jesus didn’t understand why he was being brutally murdered. But you just said he “volunteered” to be sacrificed. Anyway, I couldn’t accept this belief. Ok, what’s the next religion?
Islam. Islam means submission. The main beliefs are as follows: One God, worship God five times a day, give 2.5% annual charity, fast during Ramadan (to be closer to God and appreciate life…among other reasons) and finally journey to Mecca for Hajj if you are able financially. Ok, nothing hard to understand so far. There’s nothing that conflicts with my logic here. The Qur’an is a book with all of these interesting miracles and timeless wisdom. Many scientific facts only discovered recently where proclaimed 1400 years ago in this book. Ok, Islam had passed my initial religious prerequisites. But I wanted to ask some deep questions about it. Is this religion universal? Yes, anyone can understand these basic beliefs…no analogy or equation are needed. Does it agree with science? Yes, dozens of verses in the Qur’an agree with modern science and technology. As I sifted through the countless logical facts that I read through and researched, one thing took my attention the most. “Islam”. The name of this religion. I noticed it is written many times in this Qur’an. However, recalling my prior studies, I didn’t remember once seeing the word “Judaism” in the Old Testament or “Christianity” in the New Testament. This was BIG. Why couldn’t I find the very name of the religions in those two books? Because, there is no name in these books! Thinking…I noticed that “Judaism” could be broken down to “Juda- ism” and “Christianity” could be respectively “Christ-ianity”.
So who is Juda? Or Judah, rather. He was the tribe leader of the Hebrews when God revealed his message to mankind. So this religion was named after…a person. Ok let’s look at who Christ is. He was the person who delivered the message of God to the Jews. So this religion was named after…a person. So in recollection, we can deduct that the names of these religions are people’s proper names attached to “ism” and “ianity”. Regardless of that fact, the very names of those religions are not mentioned in their scriptures. I thought that was very odd. If I went door to door selling a product, and I said “Would you like to buy this _______”? Wouldn’t the logical question be: “What is this _____ called?” I would make no money off of a product without a name. Naming is the very basis which humans identify with objects, both physical and non-physical. If religion is supposed to be practiced and spread to every person on earth, shouldn’t there be a NAME for it? Moreover, shouldn’t the name be given to us from God Almighty? YES, my point exactly. The names “Christianity” and “Judaism” were not written in the Holy Scriptures. Humans named them, not God. The notion that God would ordain a religion for mankind to follow with out a name is impossible for my mind to accept. At that point, both Christianity and Judaism lost their credibility as pure, logical, and complete religions, at least from my perspective. Islam is the ONLY of these religions to include the NAME of the religion in its scriptures. This is so huge for me. I realized I would follow Islam at that point. I then became a Muslim. I knew the truth. I was out of the darkness. I came into the light…
Comment by Manal— 2006/02/27 @ 11:04 PM — (Reply)
Manal, I provide the links to you can check it out yourself. There are plenty of contradictions there but you must read what I posted and follow the link.
It is as you said we can find and answer one by one but who has the time, hence clicking on the link will guide you to where to read.
If you follow this link you will find testimonies of Muslims who have become Christians.
CONTRADICTIONS IN THE QURAN
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In Sura 3:42, 45 SEVERAL angels appear to Mary in the annunciation of the birth of Jesus. How many angels were talking to Mary?
In Sura 19:17-21 only ONE angel appears to the virgin Mary.
In Sura 22:47 and 32:5 Allah's day is equal to 1,000 human years. Allah's day is equal to how many human years?
In Sura 70:4, Allah's day is equal to 50,000 human years.
In Sura 41:30 and 57:21 there is said to be only one garden in Paradise. How many garden's are there in paradise?
In Sura 18:31, 22:23, 25:33, and 78:32 there are many gardens in Paradise.
Sura 56:7 says there will be three distinct groups of people at the Last Judgment. How many groups will there be at the last judgement?
Sura 90:18-19 and 99:6-8 say there will be two distinct groups at the Last Judgment.
Sura 32:11 The angel of death
Sura 47:27 The angels (plural)
Who takes people's souls at death?
Sura 39:42 "It is Allah that takes the souls at death"
Sura 35:1 Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings How many wings do angels have?
The angel Gabriel had 600 wings. (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455)
Sura 54:19 - One day How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad?
Sura 41:16 & 69:6,7 - several days
Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 all clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. How many days did creation take?
Sura 41:9-12, the detailed description of the creation procedure, add up to eight days.
Sura 2:29 says the earth was created first and then heaven. Which was created first, the heavens or the earth?
Sura 49:27-30 says the heaven was created first and then the earth was created.
Sura 41:11 states that in the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together. Heaven and earth ripped apart or called together?
Sura 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.
Sura 4:48, 116
No
Does Allah forgive shirk? Sura 4:153, 25:68-71
Yes
Jesus was born more than 1,000 years after Moses Moses and the Injil Sura 7:157 Allah speaks to Moses about what is written in the Injil (the book given to Jesus)
Sura 2:97 - The Angel Gabriel Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad? Sura 16:102 - The Holy Spirit
Surah 18:89-98 says Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age. Alexander the Great Historical records show that Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age. He believed he was divine and forced others to recognize him as such. In India on the Hyphasis River Alexander erected twelve altars to twelve Olympian gods.
Surah 9:30 says the Jews believe that Ezra is the Son of God - the Messiah Ezra the son of God This has never been a tenet of Judaism.
Surah 20:90-100 says a Samaritan helped the Israelites build the golden calf, and it mooed after coming out of the fire. The Golden Calf Samaritans did not exist as a people until at least 1000 years after the time of Moses and the Israelite exodus from Egypt.
Is this clear enough for you.
1. Creation: The biblical Genesis account says God created all in six days (see Genesis 1:1 - 2:2). The Quran, however, has a real problem here as Surah 41:9, 10, 12 have a total of eight days of creation (4+2+2=8) Meanwhile, Surah 10:3 gives the total number of days of creation as six. This is a problem of self-contradiction.
2. Pharaoh: According to the Quran (Surah 7:120-125) Pharaoh used crucifixion in dealing with the sorcerers - a practice which historical evidence gives no precedent to before the Babylonian Empire. This is once again a problem of historical compression.
3. The Golden Calf: According to the Quran (Surah 20:90-100)a Samaritan helped the Israelites build the golden calf, and it mooed after coming out of the fire. In reality, Samaritans did not exist as a people until at least 1000 years after the time of the Moses and the Israelite exodus from Egypt. Again a problem of historical compression.
4. Judaism: According to the Quran (Surah 9:30) the Jews believe that Ezra is the Son of God - the Messiah. This never has been a tenet of Judaism. This is a clear problem of distorted knowledge of other religions and historical fact.
5. Alexander the Great: According to the Quran (Surah 18:89-98) Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age. Historical records however show that Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age (b. 356 B.C. - d. 323 B.C.), and believed he was divine, forcing others to recognize him as such. In India on the Hyphasis River (now Beas) Alexander erected twelve altars to twelve Olympian gods. Once again the Quran shows errors in historical and religious fact.
6. The Trinity: According to the Quran (Surah 5:116, 5:73-75) the Christians believe in "three Gods" - Father, Mother, and Son. This shows the influence of heretical 'Christian' sects in central Arabia at the time of Muhammad. In contrast, Christianity has always distinctly stated that the Trinity is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The teaching of the Quran on the Trinity has undoubtedly led to confusion among many Muslims on what the Bible (and thus Christianity) teaches about the Triune God.
7. Mary: According to the Quran (Surah 19:28, 3:33-36), Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the daughter of Imran or Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron. Mary is also said to be the sister of Moses and Aaron. Clearly Muhammad confused Mary with Miriam.
A second interesting point about Mary is the story of the date palm speaking and offering its fruit to her (Surah 19:23). This legend is easily traced to similar legends found in the apocryphal "Protoevangelium of James" the "Pseudo-Matthew" and "the Gospel of the Nativity of Mary" all of which have been dated to the fourth to sixth centuries, and were again believed by the sects found in Arabia. (More indepth information on Quranic sources may be found in Rev. W. St. Clair Tisdall's The Religion of the Crescent).
8. Textual Variants in the Quran: Many Muslims claim that the Quran today is identical to the revelations received by Muhammad. However, there is overwhelming unanswered evidence to the contrary. This includes evidence of variations both prior to, and after Uthman.
[an-Nisa' 4:82] Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than God, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
First Contradiction
God's Words Don't Change
God's Words Do Change
[Yunus 10:64] Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph. [an-Nahl 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth- they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.
[al-Kahf 18:27] And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. There is none who can change His words, and thou wilt find no refuge beside Him. [al-Baqarah 2:106] Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things ?
[al-Hijr 15:9] Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian. [ar-Ra`d 13:39] Allah effaceth what He will, and establisheth (what He will), and with Him is the source of ordinance.
Second Contradiction
God's Day is 1000 Years
God's Day is 50,000 Years
[as-Sajdah 32:5] He directeth the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon. [al-Ma`arij 70:4] (Whereby) the angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.
Third Contradiction
There is no Intercessor
There is an Intercessor
[az-Zumar 39:44] Say: Unto Allah belongeth all intercession. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. And afterward unto Him ye will be brought back.
[as-Sajdah 32:4] Allah it is Who created the heavens and the earth, and that which is between them, in six Days. Then He mounted the Throne. Ye have not, beside Him, a protecting friend or mediator {intercessor}. Will ye not then remember ? [Yunus 10:3] Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then He established Himself upon the Throne, directing all things. There is no intercessor (with Him) save after His permission. That is Allah, your Lord, so worship Him. Oh, will ye not remind?
Internal Contradictions:
And it just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.
Further numerical discrepancies Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? --- How many gardens are there in paradise? ONE [as stated in 39:73, 41:30, 57:21, 79:41] or MANY [18:31, 22:23, 35:33, 78:32]? --- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. --- There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42]
Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]. But Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]
Six or eight days of creation? Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.
Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is".
Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].
Calling together or ripping apart? In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.
What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
Where is Allah and his throne? Allah is nearer than the jugular vein [50:16], but he is also on the throne [57:4] which is upon the water [11:7], and at the same time so far away, that it takes between 1,000 and 50,000 years to reach reach him [32:5, 70:4].
The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]?
How merciful is Allah's mercy? He has prescribed mercy for himself [6:12], yet he does not guide some, even though he could [6:35, 14:4].
Will there be inquiry in Paradise? "neither will they question one another" [23:101] but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry" [52:25], "and they will ... question one another" [37:27].
Are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].
Is everything devoutly obedient to Allah? That is the claim in 30:26, but dozens of verses speak of the proud disobedience of Satan [7:11, 15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74, 18:50] as well of many different human beings who reject His commands and His revelations.
Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.
The event of worship of the golden calf: The Israelites repented about worshipping the golden calf BEFORE Moses returned from the mountain [7:149], yet they refused to repent but rather continued to worship the calf until Moses came back [20:91]. Does Aaron share in their guilt? No [20:85-90], yes [20:92, 7:151].
Was Jonah cast on the desert shore or was he not? "Then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick" [37:145] "Had not Grace from his Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the naked shore while he was reprobate." [68:49]
Moses and the Injil? Jesus is born more than 1,000 years after Moses, but in 7:157 Allah speaks to Moses about what is written in the Injil [the book given to Jesus].
Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].
How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? On Judgement day the lost people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10], or in their left hand [69:25].
Can angels disobey? No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34].
Three contradictions in 2:97 and 16:101-103 Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad? The ANGEL Gabriel [297], or the Holy Spirit [16:102]? The new revelation confirms the old [2:97] or substitutes it [16:101]? The Qur'an is PURE Arabic [16:103] but there are numerous foreign, non-Arabic words in it.
The infinite loop problem Sura 26:192,195,196: "It (the Qur'an) is indeed a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds, ... in clear Arabic speech and indeed IT (the Qur'an) is in the writings of the earlier (prophets)." Now, the 'earlier writings' are the Torah and the Injil for example, written in Hebrew and Greek. HOW can an ARABIC Qur'an be contained in books of other languages? Furthermore, it would have to contain this very passage of the Qur'an since the Qur'an is properly contained in them. Hence these earlier writings have to be contained in yet other earlier writings and we are in an infinite loop, which is absurd.
"An old woman" and God's character About the story of Lot: "So we delivered him and his family, - all exept an old woman who lingered behind." [Sura 26:170-171] And again: "But we saved him and his family, exept his wife: she was of those who lagged behind. [Sura 7:83]. Either this is a contradiction or if indeed Lot's wife is derogatorily called "an old woman" then this does not show much respect for her as a wife of a prophet.
More problems with the story of Lot "And his people gave NO answer but this: They said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" [Sura 7:82 & 27:56]. Yet: "But his people gave NO answer but this: They said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." [Sura 29:29]. Obviously these answers are different.
The "pleasure" of Allah? Is God's action of punishment or mercy and guidance or misguidance arbitrary?
Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49, 6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19 Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to leave the area ("turning away from them all").
What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.
Was Noah driven out? "Before them *the people of Noah* rejected (their messenger): They rejected Our servant and said, 'Here is One possessed!' And he was driven out." [Sura 54:9] Now, if he is driven out [expelled from their country] how come they can scoff at him while he is buiding the ark since we read "Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that the Chiefs of *his people* passed by him, they threw ridicule on him." [Sura 11:38] He cannot be both: Driven out and near enough that they can regularly pass by.
Pharaoh's repentance in the face of death? According to Sura 10:90-92, Pharaoh repented "in the sight of death" and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says that such a thing can't happen.
Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:65. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!
Guiding to truth? "Say: 'God - He guides to the truth; and which is worthier to be followed ...?" [Sura 10:35] But how much is left over of this worthiness when we also read: "Allah leads astray whom he pleases, and he guides whom He pleases, ..." [Sura 14:4]. And how do we know in which of Allah's categories of pleasure we fall? How sure can a Muslim be that he is one of those guided right and not one of those led astray?
What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone" [4:16]. 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4?
Will Christians enter Paradise or go to Hell? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses later) and 3:85 say "No".
God alone or also men? Clear or incomprehensible? The Qur'an is "clear Arabic speech." [16:103] Yet "NONE knows its interpretation, save only Allah." [3:7]. Actually, "men of understanding do grasp it." [3:7]
Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved when chasing Moses and the Israelites? Saved [10:92], drowned [28:40, 17:103, 43:55].
When Commanded Pharaoh the Killing of the Sons? When Moses was a Prophet and spoke God's truth to Pharaoh [40:23-25] or when he was still an infant [20:38-39]?
When/how are the fates determined? "The night of power is better than a thousand months. The angels and spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees." [97:3,4] "Lo! We revealed it on a blessed night." [44:3] To Muslims, the "Night of Power" is a blessed night on which fates are settled and on which everything relating to life, death, etc., which occurs throughout the year is decreed. It is said to be the night on which Allah's decrees for the year are brought down to the earthly plane. In other words, matters of creation are decreed a year at a time. Contradicting this, Sura 57:22 says, "No affliction befalls in the earth or in your selves, but it is in a Book before we create it." This means it is written in the Preserved Tablet, being totally fixed in Allah's knowledge before anyone was created. All of the above is contradicted by "And every man's fate We have fastened to his own neck." This says that man alone is responsible for what he does and what happens to him. [17:13]
Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?
Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.
Will Jesus burn in Hell? Jesus is raised to Allah, [Sura 4:158], near stationed with him [Sura 3:45], worshiped by millions of Christians, yet Sura Sura 21:98 says, that all that are worshiped by men besides Allah will burn in Hell together with those who worship them.
Jinns and men created for worship or for Hell? Created only to serve God [Sura 51:56], many of them made for Hell [Sura 7:179].
Who is the father of Jesus? A more involved argument that is difficult to summarize in one sentence.
Begetting and Self-sufficiency A self-contradiction on account of confused terminology.
Could Allah have a son? Sura 39:4 affirms and Sura 6:101 denies this possibility.
Did Jesus Die already? Surah 3:144 states that all messengers died before Muhammad. But 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?).
One Creator or many? The Qur'an uses twice the phrase that Allah is "the best of creators" [23:14, 37:125]. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is "the creator of all things" [e.g. 39:62]. There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.
From among all nations or from Abraham's seed? Surah 29:27 states that all prophets came Abraham's seed. But 16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people.
Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5].
Comment by elemrs brother— 2006/02/28 @ 03:00 AM — (Reply)
U do not wish to understand.
i did all i can to englight you but you dont want to.
i will leave you with your belives but remember me we all stand in front of god one day that i was trying to help you and you have refused.
I will pray god for you to englight your way.
salam
Comment by Manal — 2006/02/28 @ 07:40 PM — (Reply)
Oh I understand completely.
Comment by elmers brother— 2006/03/02 @ 04:26 AM — (Reply)
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