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2005/5/23

Wow check this out

@ 03:42 PM (54 months, 24 days ago)

Fake and Inaccurate
Newsweek has followed up its retracted story alleging that U.S. servicemen had flushed a Koran down the toilet at Guantanamo Bay. It turns out that there is a record of Koran-flushing, but it wasn't Americans who did it:

In three cases, detainees tried to stuff pages from their Qur'ans down their toilets, according to the Defense Department's account of what is in the guards' reports. . . . Prison commanders concluded that certain hard-core prisoners would try to agitate the other detainees by alleging disrespect for Muslim articles of faith.

And what about "abuse" of the Koran by soldiers? Well, here's what Newsweek was able to document:

In fewer than a dozen log entries from the 31,000 documents reviewed so far, said [Pentagon spokesman Lawrence] Di Rita, there is a mention of detainees' complaining that guards or interrogators mishandled their Qur'ans. In one case, a female guard allegedly knocked a Qur'an from its pouch onto the detainee's bed. In another alleged case, said Di Rita, detainees became upset after two MPs [military policemen], looking for contraband, felt the pouch containing a prisoner's Qur'an. While questioning a detainee, an interrogator allegedly put a Qur'an on top of a TV set, took it off when the detainee complained, then put it back on. In another alleged instance, guards somehow sprayed water on a detainee's Qur'an.

That's it. What's more, after a December 2002 incident in which "a guard inadvertently knocked a Qur'an from its pouch onto the floor," the Guantanamo commanders "issued precise rules to respect the 'cultural dignity of the Koran thereby reducing the friction over the searching of the Korans.' "

So assuming Newsweek has the story right this time--and you can bet they were extra careful--it's clear that those journalists who defended the original report as "fake but accurate" were only showing their own deep prejudice against the U.S. military.

In a defense of Newsweek just out in The New Yorker, Hendrik Hertzberg concludes by warning of the danger that "we'll lose sight of what we're fighting for, and, little by little, become the mirror of what we're fighting against." Isn't that precisely what's happened to the press, as it has lost sight of accuracy in the pursuit of a political agenda?

Comment(s) »

  1. You should read this:

    it's a list of published accounts of interrogator mistreatment of the Koran and other ther intimidation tactics used by US intelligence officers.

    http://gnn.tv/headlines/2883/Newsweek_Got_Gitmo_Right

    Do you think the Abu Gharab photos were fabricated by journalists with a "deep prejeduce against the U.S. military," as well?

    Comment by dennis— 2005/05/23 @ 04:54 PM — (Reply)

  2. Dennis I never mentioned the Abu Graib abuses and if I did I could contrast it with beheadings on video. Al Queda members are trained to allege such abuses in order to infuriate other Muslims. The American military gave those copies of the Koran to them....let's see what have the insurgents given to those they have captured..oh yeah...they got beheaded. At least our military has been transparent about the abuses and are punishing those responsible. I want them to be afraid of us.

    Comment by — 2005/05/23 @ 06:29 PM — (Reply)

  3. Did you read the article? Because if you did you would notice there were only 2 substantiated reports and those incidents were corrected and "sensitivity" training and practices was given to all. There were also reports of the detainees themselves desecrating their "holy Quran" by flushing it down the toilet to clog the pipes. The Geneva Convention was written to protect us from these bast--ds. If you are gonna target civilians (see my post "the insurgents are not endearing themselves to anyone") and take innocent lives the Geneva Convention says you have no protections. So out of the kindness of our hearts and the taxpayer coffers we buy them Quran's so they can make false accusations and if they are true, so what! SO WHAT!!!!

    Comment by — 2005/05/31 @ 05:47 PM — (Reply)

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